Chewbarker Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 So this has probably been answered already. But I only browse this forum every 6 months, so, sorry for my ignorance. Im feeling like the parshendi started the war to draw the alethi to the shattered plains. They saw the return of the chasm fiends which they knew would pupate and turn into thunderclast. So they figured start a war, bring a huge army over that would kill the chasm fiends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, Chewbarker said: So this has probably been answered already. But I only browse this forum every 6 months, so, sorry for my ignorance. Im feeling like the parshendi started the war to draw the alethi to the shattered plains. They saw the return of the chasm fiends which they knew would pupate and turn into thunderclast. So they figured start a war, bring a huge army over that would kill the chasm fiends? I don't think their motivation was anything like this; Based on Amaram's comments near the end of WoR we can make the logical leap that Gavilar was a Son of Honor and wanted to return the Listener gods (the Unmade) to return the Voidbringers. He wanted this because he believed that the return of the Voidbringers would force the Heralds to return which appears to be the base goal of the Sons of Honor. The Listeners went into exile in the first place to escape the control of their gods (the Unmade). The Listeners were not trying to start a war with the Alethi, they were just willing to do anything to stop the return of the Unmade. I would argue that the war was just a bi-product of the assassination of Gavilar that the Listeners viewed as an acceptable cost for stopping the return of their gods. As for Chasmfiends and Thunderclasts they are unrelated. Chasmfiends are just greatshells that pupate in the shattered plains, Thunderclasts are stone simulacrum that are animated by Voidspren. The notion that the Chasmfiends are related to the Listener gods is a misconception by the humans of Roshar who did not understand that the Listener gods were the Unmade. Edited April 12, 2017 by Iron Eyes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC11 Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 The War of Reckoning is something of an oddity. The Parshendi didn't need to take credit for the assassination, but they did (for reasons I'm sure will be explained at a later date). However, they killed Galivar for the reasons Iron Eyes points out. The Listeners wanted to stop the Unmade from returning at any cost, and if killing Galivar would accomplish that, they were determined to do it by stopping the plans of those who hoped for the Heralds to return. Which Galivar was determined to do,the Sons of Honor want the Heralds to return to bring the Church back to its rightful place, which means bringing back the Heralds, which means starting a new Desolation. It's sort of like Nale's plan to kill surgebinders in order to stop the return of the voidbringers. All the plans moving against each other are related to preventing or starting up or preventing a new Desolation in some way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 (edited) The Parshendi taking credit for Gavilar's assassination doesn't make sense to humans, but look at them. It's no mystery. It's the same reason they command an assassin to wear white and let the target see them coming. It's why Kaladin refused to fight them. The Parshendi show a level of honor that is foreign to humans. Doesn't explain why they had him killed, although I think that's been covered by @Iron Eyes They saw his death a necessity, and I don't think hiding it ever crossed their minds. Edited April 12, 2017 by Calderis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted April 12, 2017 Report Share Posted April 12, 2017 24 minutes ago, Calderis said: The Parshendi taking credit for Gavilar's assassination doesn't make sense to humans, but look at them. It's no mystery. It's the same reason they command an assassin to wear white and let the target see them coming. It's why Kaladin refused to fight them. The Parshendi show a level of honor that is foreign to humans. Doesn't explain why they had him killed, although I think that's been covered by @Iron Eyes They saw his death a necessity, and I don't think hiding it ever crossed their minds. Too add to this, we also see this honor displayed during the Bridgemen assault on the Tower. Kaladin acknowledges how the Parshendi avoid attacking Teft when his arm is wounded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted April 13, 2017 Report Share Posted April 13, 2017 Everything I'd say has already been handled by others so I'll just add one detail because I didn't know it until recently and it's worth spreading around. 15 hours ago, Iron Eyes said: As for Chasmfiends and Thunderclasts they are unrelated. Chasmfiends are just greatshells that pupate in the shattered plains, And here's what I want to add. Brandon has confirmed that we've seen the final phase in the chasmfiend lifecycle, they don't turn into anything else once they reach the point we've already observed on the Shattered Plains. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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