stonedshaman Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 So reading WoK I came across this. In the chapter "The journey" Dalinar is quoting the in book way of kings to Sadeas and Elhokar, in this scene he is reciting the passage where Nohadon travels to urithiru and when relaying to his people why he did this he quotes: Yes, I could have traveled quickly. But all men have the same ultimate destination. Whether we find our end in a hallowed sepulchre or a pauper's ditch, ALL SAVE THE HERALDS THEMSELVES MUST DINE WITH THE NIGHTWATCHER. (All caps used for emphasis which is mine. On mobile so no time to figure out how to use bold lol) Now the common theory(or canon I'm not to sure) is that the nightwatcher is cultivation. So I ask this: if this passage is true why must all people meet the nightwatcher before death? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted March 1, 2017 Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 22 minutes ago, stonedshaman said: So reading WoK I came across this. In the chapter "The journey" Dalinar is quoting the in book way of kings to Sadeas and Elhokar, in this scene he is reciting the passage where Nohadon travels to urithiru and when relaying to his people why he did this he quotes: Yes, I could have traveled quickly. But all men have the same ultimate destination. Whether we find our end in a hallowed sepulchre or a pauper's ditch, ALL SAVE THE HERALDS THEMSELVES MUST DINE WITH THE NIGHTWATCHER. (All caps used for emphasis which is mine. On mobile so no time to figure out how to use bold lol) Now the common theory(or canon I'm not to sure) is that the nightwatcher is cultivation. So I ask this: if this passage is true why must all people meet the nightwatcher before death? We were just talking about this over in Cosmere Theories, oddly enough. There's a lot relevant to later Mistborn books in that thread, though, fair warning. The Nightwatcher is not Cultivation. She is a powerful splinter of Cultivation. That being said, it's possible some people of Roshar have conflated the two, so they say Nightwatcher and mean Cultivation, but they just don't know any better. Also, you're assuming that they can only meet the Nightwatcher before they die. The passage is referring to death, the ultimate destination. The Heralds don't die of old age, and if they are killed they simply return to Braize. So, Nohadon is saying, very poetically, that everyone will die eventually, except the Heralds. It might be a figure of speech, or it might relate to something that happens to a person's soul after their death on Roshar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted March 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2017 Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. Just thought I'd drop this here in case there were any random theorys on the subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insert_anagram_here Posted February 20, 2018 Report Share Posted February 20, 2018 This could be completely irrelevant but during Baxil's chapter, were we are first introduced with Baxil's mistress, Baxil is discussing with the other servant about the Nightwatcher's powers. There is this interplay of description between Baxil's mistress destroying art and the discussion on Nightwatcher. Presumably she is Ash, a Herald and I wonder if there is significant connection to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yezrien Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) I think we have no choice but to take Nohadon literally. Due to their constant exposure to stormlight and crem, the average Rosharan is invested enough to linger in the cognitive realm for several hours before passing on to the Beyond. They spend these hours literally dining with the Nightwatcher. Seconds after death, they are whisked across Shadesmar to the cognitive version of the Valley, where the Nightwatcher hosts a never-ending dinner party. Think of it like the Mad Hatter's tea party, but with a creepy lovecraftian demigod instead of Johnny Depp. Edited February 21, 2018 by Belzedar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis he/him Posted February 21, 2018 Report Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, Belzedar said: I think we have no choice but to take Nohadon literally. Due to their constant exposure to stormlight and crem, the average Rosharan is invested enough to linger in the cognitive realm for several hours before passing on to the Beyond. They spend these hours literally dining with the Nightwatcher. Seconds after death, they are whisked across Shadesmar to the cognitive version of the Valley, where the Nightwatcher hosts a never-ending dinner party. Think of it like the Mad Hatter's tea party, but with a creepy lovecraftian demigod instead of Johnny Depp. If it is literally, it's still a conflating of the Nightwatcher and Cultivation. Quote Questioner [PENDING REVIEW] Does everyone meet the Nightwatcher when they die? Brandon Sanderson [PENDING REVIEW] No. source Personally, I don't think Cultivation is sentimental enough for it though. Cultivation is ruthless and all about developing what is. That which has been removed or has passed on is either no longer capable of growth, or an impediment removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects he/him Posted February 22, 2018 Report Share Posted February 22, 2018 6 hours ago, Calderis said: That which has been removed or has passed on is either no longer capable of growth I'm imagining a very.. entertaining conversation about this if she ever meets our resident cheater of death from the Expanse of the Vapors. But I agree with you. It's not her style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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