How did Sigzil know Kaladin's nickname?

[Rongal]

Hey everyone,

I'm new to the forums, and am a big fan of the Cosmere novels.  Particularly the Stormlight Archive, and after going through The Way of Kings a few times I found a question that I couldn't answer.  I did a quick search in the forums and couldn't find anything, although I'd dare say it's likely that I didn't look thoroughly enough, so I apologize if this has already been discussed.  Anyway, on to the question! 

In the chapter Eyes of Red and Blue in the first book of the series Sigzil calls our favorite Radiant (or at least mine) "Kaladin Stormblessed" which is the same name he had when he was in Amaram's army.  It seems like an odd coincidence that Sigzil would give Kaladin the same nickname that he had before as nobody in bridge 4 ever talked about their past.  I suppose it is possible that the nickname is at least a semi-common thing to call someone in Roshar given the nature of the planet.  It's commonality seems less likely to me after reading through the 2nd book in which Kaladin is referred to as "Stormblessed" on multiple occasions, as though it were becoming his surname.

I don't suppose anyone knows the answer to this or has any thoughts on it?

[Gizmosowner he/him]

It had been spoken around the camp for a while because he survived a high storm

[Rongal]

Awe.  So it's just a typical nickname thing then, eh?  That's rather disappointing.  Thanks for the quick reply.

[Jondesu he/him]

I dunno, it's still a little odd.  No one else in the entire series has said that about anyone else, so being "storm blessed" doesn't seem to be a common phrase.  No one seems to know he had that nickname in Amaram's army, though, so it's tough to say where they got it.  Getting it for the first time after being strung up in the highstorm would make sense, but having had it in Amaram's army too (and from the wind seeming to whirl around him as well as the way he keeps his men alive) it does seem like more than a coincidence.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Jondesu

[Gizmosowner he/him]

18 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

I dunno, it's still a little odd.  No one else in the entire series has said that about anyone else, so being "storm blessed" doesn't seem to be a common phrase.  No one seems to know he had that nickname in Amaram's army, though, so it's tough to say where they got it.  Getting it for the first time after being strung up in the highstorm would make sense, but having had it in Amaram's army too (and from the wind seeming to whirl around him as well as the way he keeps his men alive) it does seem like more than a coincidence.

I'm pretty sure he was called storm blessed in anamarams army because he was really good with a spear and it was when his bond with syl was first starting to become manifest so he was glowing a bit and syl was becoming slightly visible. However in the war camps he was called storm blessed because he survived the storm. Also it is safe to say no one on the plains knew who he was from Amaram because they were all killed by EVERYONES favorite son of honour.

Edited February 23, 2017 by Gizmosowner

[+Extesian he/him]

16 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

I dunno, it's still a little odd.  No one else in the entire series has said that about anyone else, so being "storm blessed" doesn't seem to be a common phrase.  No one seems to know he had that nickname in Amaram's army, though, so it's tough to say where they got it.  Getting it for the first time after being strung up in the highstorm would make sense, but having had it in Amaram's army too (and from the wind seeming to whirl around him as well as the way he keeps his men alive) it does seem like more than a coincidence.

Yeah having done a search of WoK it looks like the first time he was called that after Amaram's army was by Sigzil, with no other mentions between. Of course the name could have followed him but it seems unlikely. After that it's Hoid calling him that.

I think the most likely thing is that Sigzil knew either from tracking/investigating him, or through Hoid doing the same thing. Sigzil was, after all, Hoid's apprentice.

Of course Stormblessed seems like a logical thing to call a lucky person in Roshar. It may be coincidence. But I suspect it's Sigzil/Hoid using the term because it was used earlier when Kaladin rocked and they're trying to get him..rocking again.

[Jondesu he/him]

The reasoning for it is provided by one of the soldiers back in Amaram's army:

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“That’s right. Kaladin, he’s stormblessed, right sure he is. We only lost … what, one man last battle?”

So it's implied that it's a common phrase, I guess.  Oh well, forget what I said earlier.

[Gizmosowner he/him]

13 minutes ago, Jondesu said:

I dunno, it's still a little odd.  No one else in the entire series has said that about anyone else, so being "storm blessed" doesn't seem to be a common phrase.  No one seems to know he had that nickname in Amaram's army, though, so it's tough to say where they got it.  Getting it for the first time after being strung up in the highstorm would make sense, but having had it in Amaram's army too (and from the wind seeming to whirl around him as well as the way he keeps his men alive) it does seem like more than a coincidence.

I'm pretty sure he was called storm blessed in anamarams army because he was really good with a spear and it was when his bond with syl was first starting to become manifest so he was glowing a bit and syl was becoming slightly visible. However in the war camps he was called storm blessed because he survived the storm.

[DocHoliday he/him]

Twice blessed

[Jondesu he/him]

12 hours ago, Gizmosowner said:

I'm pretty sure he was called storm blessed in anamarams army because he was really good with a spear and it was when his bond with syl was first starting to become manifest so he was glowing a bit and syl was becoming slightly visible. However in the war camps he was called storm blessed because he survived the storm.

That quote I provided indicates that's not the reason, it's because he was seen as "lucky" because he kept so many of his men alive.

[Gizmosowner he/him]

I don't have the book wi me but didn't cenn say that Kaladin fought like a storm when he was saving him from the six footmen? Maybe it's just the Mandela Effect or something.

[Jondesu he/him]

44 minutes ago, Gizmosowner said:

I don't have the book wi me but didn't cenn say that Kaladin fought like a storm when he was saving him from the six footmen? Maybe it's just the Mandela Effect or something.

Just pulled it up.

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“Kaladin shoved past a wounded enemy and slammed his spear into the gut of the third man. A fourth man fell with a knife to the eye. When had Kaladin grabbed that knife? He spun between the last two, his spear a blur, wielding it like a quarterstaff. For a moment, Cenn thought he could see something surrounding the squadleader. A warping of the air, like the wind itself become visible.”

That's what I was remembering too, but Cenn calls him Stormblessed when he first arrives, before that, because he had already been told it was Kaladin's nickname. He doesn't reference it again there.  There is another reference later, though, by Dallet, when Kaladin takes out the lighteyed officer (not the Shardbearer):

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“Aye, it’s part training,” Dallet said, shaking his head. “But it’s mostly him. He fights like a storm, that one, and thinks twice as fast as other men. The way he moves sometimes …”

That could be part of it, but again, the name Stormblessed isn't referenced there.