Exalted Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Some more: Silence: Stoneward--tough, dependable, and not afraid to do what's necessary for herself and her family. Siri: Willshaper--a rebellious nature and love for adventure Sazed: Truthwatcher--he spends a better part of The Hero of Ages watching for truth. Not actively searching, just skimming his notes and watching. And one non-Cosmere one: David: Dustbringer--"My name is David Charleston. I kill people with superpowers." Can we do non-Sanderson characters on here? Or should we start a new thread for that? 2
wildbuc117 he/him Posted January 25, 2017 Author Posted January 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Exalted Dungeon Master said: Some more: Silence: Stoneward--tough, dependable, and not afraid to do what's necessary for herself and her family. Siri: Willshaper--a rebellious nature and love for adventure Sazed: Truthwatcher--he spends a better part of The Hero of Ages watching for truth. Not actively searching, just skimming his notes and watching. And one non-Cosmere one: David: Dustbringer--"My name is David Charleston. I kill people with superpowers." Can we do non-Sanderson characters on here? Or should we start a new thread for that? I think you are right with these. I do think Sazed would be more akin to the Cutivation side of powers than Honor's. Probably should start a new one, but I'm fine with it. Joel - None, because powers that be don't want him to.
Jedal he/him Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 On 1/23/2017 at 3:09 PM, DocHoliday said: Nah, he's a total Wind Runner. As many laws as Wayne breaks on a regular basis, he wouldnt be able to deal with him. For that matter Wax is guilty too. They're methods are unorthodox, but no-one ever doubts they're on the side of Right. Skybreakers do not follow the law. They follow their own personal moral code. Many times Szeth broke the law but really he never stepped outside of his personal beliefs(that the Oathstone controlled him). He went insane because of it. Wax is very similar in this regard.
Blightsong he/him Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jedal said: Skybreakers do not follow the law. They follow their own personal moral code. Many times Szeth broke the law but really he never stepped outside of his personal beliefs(that the Oathstone controlled him). He went insane because of it. Wax is very similar in this regard. Their second ideal is "I will hold the law above all else" (confirmed via WoB), so Skybreakers up to the second ideal do.
Jedal he/him Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 16 minutes ago, Blightsong said: Their second ideal is "I will hold the law above all else" (confirmed via WoB), so Skybreakers up to the second ideal do. "The law" is up to interpretation. Could be personal law, could be real law. We don't really have much evidence as we don't see any Skybreakers in situations where they could be forced to break their oaths. However, the idea of "holding up the law" doesn't really work on a large scale. Do you hold up the laws of the culture you are in, or from the culture you originate in? If it is the latter it would suggest some sort of internalized moral code.
Blightsong he/him Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 29 minutes ago, Jedal said: "The law" is up to interpretation. Could be personal law, could be real law. We don't really have much evidence as we don't see any Skybreakers in situations where they could be forced to break their oaths. However, the idea of "holding up the law" doesn't really work on a large scale. Do you hold up the laws of the culture you are in, or from the culture you originate in? If it is the latter it would suggest some sort of internalized moral code. There is a pretty set definition of the law, and it is a social institution, not a personal one. Do you remember how Nalan did it? He worked within the law of the country he was operating within.
Ari he/him Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 21 hours ago, Jedal said: Skybreakers do not follow the law. They follow their own personal moral code. Many times Szeth broke the law but really he never stepped outside of his personal beliefs(that the Oathstone controlled him). He went insane because of it. Wax is very similar in this regard. Except that the Oathstone is Shin law, not just a moral code. He didn't believe the oathstone controlled him, he convinced himself he had been wrong and that his punishment was just and deserved to be followed. Being given the weapon and required to use it at others' direction was his legal punishment for his heretical beliefs. Szeth "went insane" in that he was having difficulty realising that he had deluded himself, not because he followed his own convictions. If he had done that, he would have been raising the alarm about the impending desolation, and it would likely have come about due to Gavilar instead of due to Eshonai. Szeth might have broken the laws of other lands, but he held to his own people's laws perfectly. There's certainly a contradiction there, but it's one that probably wouldn't bother Nale so long as you picked a consistent approach with sound legal reasoning. I imagine Szeth's logic was that as someone who was effectively a prisoner, he had no right to question his people's laws just because he had been taken into another country, but if we're getting an answer on that, it'll probably be in Szeth's flashback story, which I would assume is #5 if Brandon holds to his gender-alternating pattern. 2
prayingforsuperpowers Posted April 13, 2019 Posted April 13, 2019 On 1/22/2017 at 1:43 PM, Exalted Dungeon Master said: Kelsier: Dustbringer--agent of "divine" destruction. This is probably the most likely in my eyes - dealing out justice as he sees fit - destruction and death are allowed when it means that a moral justice (not law) has been served. On 1/20/2017 at 9:47 AM, Ciridae said: I could see Kelsier as an Elsecaller, the way how he thinks all nobles are guilty and deserve to die reminds me of how Jasnah justified killing the thugs. I could get on board with this order, but I still think this order is too neat and orderly for him. I would hazard a guess and say if he was an Elsecaller, his Spren would have to be corrupted. On 1/23/2017 at 1:54 PM, Idealistic said: Kelsier is an Edgedancer, the voice of the people, the represant of the oppressed. Kelsier is too selfish to be an Edgedancer. SPOILERS FOR MISTBORN: SECRET HISTORY AND PROBABLY ALL MISTBORN AND STORMLIGHT I know this post is like 2 years old now but meh, still gonna comment. I've been doing some digging regarding who Kelsier is as a person, and how that affects which order of Knights he would be a part of. The biggest things I've come to understand about him are; 1) He is selfish (Puts himself above others except at very specific moments) 2) He is proud (believes he is in the right) In Mistborn: Secret History, Vin confronts Kelsier and asks him to consider "How much of what you've done was about love, and how much was about you proving something?" (quote shortened) "... I don't know." He said to her." [Arcanum Unbounded, pg 358] - This more than any other quote shows Kelsier's selfishness. Oh also, when given the chance to join Mare in the Beyond, he decides to become a cognitive shadow instead - so much for doing it all for love. His abuse of his powers to push and pull on emotions It happens constantly throughout Mistborn: Final Empire. He pursues things to his own gains. He abused Sazed's knowledge of Religions, fooled the whole crew, lied to Vin about important things, kept his plans secret. These two aspects of his personality makes me want to put him in either the Dustbringers of the Elsecallers. If a member of the Elsecallers however, I would say his Spren would probably have to be corrupted. I don't see he and Jasnah getting along very well at all. 1
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 14, 2019 Posted April 14, 2019 I’ll never understand “He didn’t go to Mare, He’s selfish” argument. If someone loses a loved one, are they selfish for not killing themselves to join them? Kelsier learned that there actually is an eternal afterlife, and decided to explore this world for a little while longer. Seems pretty normal to me. 1
Truthless of Shinovar he/him Posted April 14, 2019 Posted April 14, 2019 Wheel of Time Spoiler Rand- Bondsmith, he's trying to unite the world against the Dark One Perrin- Probably a Windrunner, he's trying protect everyone, and leads them Mat- Maybe Truthwatcher, he can see the future, kinda like his luck Don't know if these are accurate throughout the series, I'm only on the seventh book right now 2
prayingforsuperpowers Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 11 hours ago, SwordNimiForPresident said: I’ll never understand “He didn’t go to Mare, He’s selfish” argument. If someone loses a loved one, are they selfish for not killing themselves to join them? Kelsier learned that there actually is an eternal afterlife, and decided to explore this world for a little while longer. Seems pretty normal to me. I understand what you're saying - I don't think this would've applied if he was alive, not at all! But he had DIED. It was his time to go and he fought it - he even questions it in Mistborn: Secret History when he asks Sazed about the Beyond. I guess this is more personal, but from my point of view - having seen family members pass away - when the end arrives, their acceptance of it brought a lot of peace, and they were excited to see their love again. But again, my opinion on the topic. You are probably right that it is not a good example to point to as him being selfish, I guess instead I will reference the entire Final Empire book. He always puts himself first - no by putting others beneath him, he does not belittle or hurt others - he just "looks out for #1" 1
SwordNimiForPresident the sword/that sword Posted April 15, 2019 Posted April 15, 2019 7 hours ago, prayingforsuperpowers said: I understand what you're saying - I don't think this would've applied if he was alive, not at all! But he had DIED. It was his time to go and he fought it - he even questions it in Mistborn: Secret History when he asks Sazed about the Beyond. I guess this is more personal, but from my point of view - having seen family members pass away - when the end arrives, their acceptance of it brought a lot of peace, and they were excited to see their love again. But again, my opinion on the topic. You are probably right that it is not a good example to point to as him being selfish, I guess instead I will reference the entire Final Empire book. He always puts himself first - no by putting others beneath him, he does not belittle or hurt others - he just "looks out for #1" I promised myself I wouldn’t derail any more threads talking about this topic, so I will agree to disagree.
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