[AU spoilers] Vessels

[Sarevok]

Not sure if this is being discussed somewhere, but couldn't find a thread on it.

 

In the description of Scadrial, Khriss remarks on both it's Shards having Vessels who were human before their Ascension in a tone that implies a few things:

• Non-humans can be Vessels (not too surprising).
• Non-human Vessels are common (or human Vessels are rare), or Khriss wouldn't feel the need to comment on it.
• Khris knows about non-human Vessels being a thing.

Especially that last one is intriguing, because how would Khriss have this knowledge? It implies that she's at least as old as the Ascension of Leras and Ati.

[Hemalurgist]

We know that Khriss is only about a thousand years old because her origin story is White Sands. Or at least from the way she acts in the graphic novel it seems unlikely that she was actually ancient at the time. I think that the reason she knows about the shards origins is there could potential be in silverlight who were alive be for the shattering or at least some people lived past the shattering and left records. 

[Yata he/him]

The Shattering was an "important event" there are people, historical who spent their life to study it

From AU Scadrial Essay:

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To speak on the personalities of the Vessels themselves is not my field of expertise; better to approach one of my colleagues who specializes in pre-Shattering biography and history, rather than an arcanist.

 

[Weltall]

Yeah, she has access to what seem to be most of the super-knowledgeable people in the Cosmere aside from the Ire and Hoid, so it's not terribly surprising that she should be able to learn something from that. We know of at least one specific individual who could give her that sort of information, in Frost. At the time of writing those essays there's no way the two could have met (because Frost hasn't left Yolen and Khriss hasn't been there) but she could get that information from someone who got it from Frost. Or there could easily be other sources for it.

And yeah, as far as Khriss' age goes, White Sand is currently the oldest Cosmere work but she herself wasn't a worldhopper at that point; elsewhere in the essays she makes it clear she was born on Taldain, didn't know other worlds existed and has at this point only heard stories of Yolen. We don't know how she gets from the person we see there to the Khriss we're familiar with but it's obviously going to happen at some point.

[Khyrindor he/him]

1 hour ago, Weltall said:

Yeah, she has access to what seem to be most of the super-knowledgeable people in the Cosmere aside from the Ire and Hoid, so it's not terribly surprising that she should be able to learn something from that. We know of at least one specific individual who could give her that sort of information, in Frost. At the time of writing those essays there's no way the two could have met (because Frost hasn't left Yolen and Khriss hasn't been there) but she could get that information from someone who got it from Frost. Or there could easily be other sources for it.

And yeah, as far as Khriss' age goes, White Sand is currently the oldest Cosmere work but she herself wasn't a worldhopper at that point; elsewhere in the essays she makes it clear she was born on Taldain, didn't know other worlds existed and has at this point only heard stories of Yolen. We don't know how she gets from the person we see there to the Khriss we're familiar with but it's obviously going to happen at some point.

Well, WoB states that Khriss actually knows more than Hoid about certain things, however, her knowledge stops (mostly) when it comes to history before White Sand. Hoid definitely knows what happened before, but his mission doesn't seem to involve study or intelligence. Khriss is (I'm guessing) one of the leading scientists in Silverlight.

I wonder why Frost can't leave Yolen. Perhaps he's tied down similarly to Odium, and can't leave.

[natc]

I would reckon that, as a scholar on such matters, Khriss may have more in-depth knowledge on the mechanics of investiture, various planets' biospheres, etc. The sciency stuff. But Hoid would know enough to get by from past experience alone, and he almost certainly knows history better. Especially pre-shattering knowledge . . .

[Weltall]

19 minutes ago, Khyrindor said:

I wonder why Frost can't leave Yolen. Perhaps he's tied down similarly to Odium, and can't leave.

Do we know he can't leave Yolen or that he simply chooses not to? Given his apparent non-interventionist stance and his belief that worldhoppers are mucking up Adonalsium's Divine Plan, perhaps he can leave the planet but simply doesn't want to. True, something could be constraining him more directly but we shouldn't overlook that he might be staying on Yolen purely out of choice.

[Khyrindor he/him]

2 hours ago, Weltall said:

Do we know he can't leave Yolen or that he simply chooses not to? Given his apparent non-interventionist stance and his belief that worldhoppers are mucking up Adonalsium's Divine Plan, perhaps he can leave the planet but simply doesn't want to. True, something could be constraining him more directly but we shouldn't overlook that he might be staying on Yolen purely out of choice.

Maybe it has to do with Yolen being hidden, as Khriss mentions in SH?

[emailanimal he/him]

13 hours ago, Khyrindor said:

wonder why Frost can't leave Yolen. Perhaps he's tied down similarly to Odium, and can't leave.

Consider the following possibilities. We know that Yolen is hidden. Even Khriss circa Mistborn knows not where it is. It means getting there is difficult. Perhaps leaving it is just as difficult. 

Yolen may actually not have a perpendicularity, because it might not have any Shards left.

Yolen may have a very tiny presence in the Cognitive Realm, because very few people may remember/know about it and think of it in general and items on it in particular.

Spoiler

Fainlife may be interfering.

Frost may not want to leave Yolen.

Dragons are too Invested into the planet they are on.