Bartimaeus he/him Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) Hey guys, so we all know that Hoid has at least a form of Feruchemy, he also has at least 200 breaths and what ever form of magic that existed on Yolen prior the shattering, and it is heavily implied that he swallowed the lesarium bead granting him Allomancy. My question is, can he combine the magic systems to get a more powerful magic force in general. We see that combining Feruchemy and Allomancy can be very powerful and dangerous as example: Wax and Wayne where Wax can push on metal for his Allomantic power and store weight for his Feruchemical power which shown in Alloy of law, he increased his weight so much that he chrashed through the floors of his mansion. While for Wayne he burns his bendalloy so he could speed up time for himself, so theoretically if he had enough bendalloy he could spend all of his time in the bubble storing up his health. Compounding on the other hand is when we see the same metal on both of the magic systems granting unbelievable power on both sides of the magic systems for example, Miles Hundredlives is a compounder of gold which is pretty powerful ability which allowed him to heal from dynomite at pointblank range, in about 15-10 seconds. However if you were a surgebinder under with breaths and a full Feruchemist you could theoretically change breaths into storm light and vice versa. Please discuss debate. Edited December 7, 2016 by Bartimaeus
Spoolofwhool Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 1 hour ago, Bartimaeus said: However if you were a surge under with breaths and a full Feruchemist you could theoretically change breaths into storm light and vice versa. Please discuss debate. Can you explain your reasoning for how this would happen?
Bartimaeus he/him Posted December 7, 2016 Author Posted December 7, 2016 Well there is a WoB that says that if your a ferring with hemalurgic spike to make him a full Feruchemist, or just a full Feruchemist in general you could for example store up health and investiture but you need some strength right now, you could tap both metal minds and change the gold feruchemical properties to pewter properties.
Steeldancer he/him Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 Interesting thought. I have no idea how that could happen, but it IS all investiture. There could be some affects between the interactions of investigure
Thunder_93 Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 Well, Nicrosil-Feruchemy is kind of strange, and not really understood yet... As I first understood it (from Bands of Mourning) it's more or less that you can store the ability to use some kind of Investiture. So, let's say you're a full Feruchemist and Allomancer (like the Lord Ruler). He could store for 1 hour his ability to be an Allomancer. In this hour, he couldn't burn any metal. But when he pulls then the stored ability out, he can be for an hour an Allomancer twice as strong (this is how the artifact Bands of Mourning were made, but while it was done, the person stored it's whole identity, so the Bands countain the ability of a Mistborn and Full Feruchemist, but they're not locked. everyone can use it). I've just read in the Coppermind wiki, that Nicrosil-Feruchemy actually was used to convert forms of Investiture. I didn't read that myself, so I can't say... but like I said, we don't really understand that yet. I'd like to see that converting in the books as well. Regardless, for sure if somebody has about all Magic-Systems (like, probably Hoid. Remember it's not confirmed he actually swallowed the Lerasium), he'd be really powerful, and could probably pull of some cool Hacks. The Lord Ruler kind off hacked Ferochemy, there would be so many ways to get some kind of hacks if you have access to all... 1
Bartimaeus he/him Posted December 7, 2016 Author Posted December 7, 2016 Yes it could happen but the only people who could potentially use it are the worldhoppers and possibly Hoid.
Spoolofwhool Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 30 minutes ago, Bartimaeus said: Well there is a WoB that says that if your a ferring with hemalurgic spike to make him a full Feruchemist, or just a full Feruchemist in general you could for example store up health and investiture but you need some strength right now, you could tap both metal minds and change the gold feruchemical properties to pewter properties. I recall no WoB of you being able to turn one attribute charge into another with nicrosil. If you could link it that would be great. As Thunder_93 said, as far as we're aware, Nicrosil Feruchemy allows one to store the ability to use a manifestation of investiture (magic), not just any type of investiture whatsoever. 1
Bartimaeus he/him Posted December 7, 2016 Author Posted December 7, 2016 I am pretty sure that it is a WoB ,but I am not sure where I saw it so I can probably be very wrong.
Spoolofwhool Posted December 7, 2016 Posted December 7, 2016 34 minutes ago, Bartimaeus said: I am pretty sure that it is a WoB ,but I am not sure where I saw it so I can probably be very wrong. http://www.theoryland.com/wheel-of-time-interview-search.php This is probably the best resource for looking up WoBs. Just type in keywords to search. Also, checking Coppermind (The 17thShard's wiki) would be a good idea as well since if that's actually a part of nicrosil feruchemy, it would probably say so on the Feruchemy page, which it doesn't.
Thunder_93 Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 Who knows, maybe you can use it like that as well. If you look it up on Coppermind (just the metal Nicrosil) it says that at the Feruchemy part. It looks like it was used like that in the Mistborn Adventure Game, so I guess it shouldn't just be completly wrong...
BeskarKomrk he/him Posted December 9, 2016 Posted December 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Thunder_93 said: Who knows, maybe you can use it like that as well. If you look it up on Coppermind (just the metal Nicrosil) it says that at the Feruchemy part. It looks like it was used like that in the Mistborn Adventure Game, so I guess it shouldn't just be completly wrong... The Mistborn Adventure Game is non-canon and shouldn't be used as evidence for any theories.
Bartimaeus he/him Posted February 5, 2017 Author Posted February 5, 2017 I checked and there is nothing to prove my idea. Sorry for wasting your time.
Weltall Posted February 7, 2017 Posted February 7, 2017 On 12/7/2016 at 6:06 AM, Bartimaeus said: so we all know that Hoid has at least a form of Feruchemy We're not actually certain of this any more. Brandon did say at one point that he uses an unknown application of feruchemy (presumably tapping Fortune) to know where he needs to be, but much more recently he said that what Hoid does uses the same underlying mechanism that feruchemy does, but it might not actually be feruchemy. And on that note and talking about the MAG, at the last signing I asked a question about Fortune (without mentioning the game, I was just curious what it would be like when you're storing luck) and he specically brought it up as something we shouldn't rely on. Obviously it was something on his mind.
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