Brute torture

[Red Ferring he/him]

I was thinking of the atrophying effect of storing strength in pewterminds and realized something horrible you could do. Torturing a Brute ferring using his/her Feruchemy. 

If you got them storing strength, their necks would atrophy, then you'd fasten a pewter collar around their necks which would fit tight around. Then they'd be compelled to continue storing, otherwise their necks would swell to normal size, and the collar would strangle them. This could kill them eventually if you don't give them new pewterminds to fill when they fill their pewter collar.

The other application for such a collar would be great imagery in a story in which a commander would "unleash" a pack of Brutes by removing the collars and they then start tapping strength and charging together into the fray of a battle. How cool is that!?

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13 hours ago, Red Ferring said:

I was thinking of the atrophying effect of storing strength in pewterminds and realized something horrible you could do. Torturing a Brute ferring using his/her Feruchemy. 

If you got them storing strength, their necks would atrophy, then you'd fasten a pewter collar around their necks which would fit tight around. Then they'd be compelled to continue storing, otherwise their necks would swell to normal size, and the collar would strangle them. This could kill them eventually if you don't give them new pewterminds to fill when they fill their pewter collar.

The other application for such a collar would be great imagery in a story in which a commander would "unleash" a pack of Brutes by removing the collars and they then start tapping strength and charging together into the fray of a battle. How cool is that!?

feruchemy is my fave

That's, uh... malicious.

[Farnsworth]

If they drew out all the strength at once though, wouldn't their neck be strong enough to break the collar?

[Spoolofwhool]

3 hours ago, Ookla the figberts said:

If they drew out all the strength at once though, wouldn't their neck be strong enough to break the collar?

I was thinking of this too However, if you swap out the pewterminds at regular enough intervals, that wouldn't be a problem. The main issue I see is starting the process, since how would you be able to catch a brute initially in this trap? 

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15 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said:

I was thinking of this too However, if you swap out the pewterminds at regular enough intervals, that wouldn't be a problem. The main issue I see is starting the process, since how would you be able to catch a brute initially in this trap? 

All it would take is to catch one while they are doing nothing, just storing. I would imagine that while one is storing that they would just kinda sit there and either do nothing or...draw? Something basic, not complicated. Get them distracted by drawing, sneak up behind them, and BOOM! Brute Torture.

[Spoolofwhool]

1 minute ago, DroughtBringer said:

All it would take is to catch one while they are doing nothing, just storing. I would imagine that while one is storing that they would just kinda sit there and either do nothing or...draw? Something basic, not complicated. Get them distracted by drawing, sneak up behind them, and BOOM! Brute Torture.

But then they would still have a pewtermind on them so the idea that they could swiftly tap to expand strong enough to break it is viable. You would need a really strong collar, but then that would be heavy which would limit the sneaking part. Also, I'm curious as to why you would need a pewter collar. Wouldn't you want something you can easily remove to prevent them from building up a big charge?

[Droughtbringer]

1 minute ago, Spoolofwhool said:

But then they would still have a pewtermind on them so the idea that they could swiftly tap to expand strong enough to break it is viable. You would need a really strong collar, but then that would be heavy which would limit the sneaking part. Also, I'm curious as to why you would need a pewter collar. Wouldn't you want something you can easily remove to prevent them from building up a big charge?

Oooh good point...while they are storing knock them unconscious, but leave a small amount of metal on them, as if it is something that you missed. As soon as they start storing you leap out and put a very solid collar on them, then give them a small amount of pewter to use,

[Spoolofwhool]

50 minutes ago, DroughtBringer said:

Oooh good point...while they are storing knock them unconscious, but leave a small amount of metal on them, as if it is something that you missed. As soon as they start storing you leap out and put a very solid collar on them, then give them a small amount of pewter to use,

I believe that storing, relatively speaking, requires conscious thought, at least to start and end it. Therefore, I don't see why a feruchemist, having woken due to being assaulted, would start with storing their strength. It seems like the opposite would be more likely to occur. In addition, the change in metals would probably be noticeable as well.

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12 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

I believe that storing, relatively speaking, requires conscious thought, at least to start and end it. Therefore, I don't see why a feruchemist, having woken due to being assaulted, would start with storing their strength. It seems like the opposite would be more likely to occur. In addition, the change in metals would probably be noticeable as well.

I had been imagining something like with Sazed in TFE he stores a small amount of strength to tap so that they can break out of wherever they are... Then that's when you snack the collar on them

[Spoolofwhool]

1 hour ago, DroughtBringer said:

I had been imagining something like with Sazed in TFE he stores a small amount of strength to tap so that they can break out of wherever they are... Then that's when you snack the collar on them

What? I don't understand what you're referring to?

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12 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said:

What? I don't understand what you're referring to?

In Mistborn the Final Empire Sazed stores a small amount of strength for a short time so that he can then become significantly stronger for a short amount of time...I would imagine them doing something like that, storing a small amount of strength with the latter intent of doing that then you surprise then with a nice, heavy collar around their neck.

[Spoolofwhool]

22 minutes ago, DroughtBringer said:

you surprise then with a nice, heavy collar around their neck.

I'll be honest, this feels like an oxymoronic statement. I don't think you could suddenly snap a collar around their neck out of nowhere. Also, I doubt they store when there's someone standing with a heavy collar at the ready. Honestly, you're overthinking this too much. Just grab a friend of theirs as well, and threaten to torture them, or do torture them, unless the brute taps and lets you put on a collar. 

On 12/1/2016 at 11:03 PM, Red Ferring said:

The other application for such a collar would be great imagery in a story in which a commander would "unleash" a pack of Brutes by removing the collars and they then start tapping strength and charging together into the fray of a battle. How cool is that!?

Returning to the original post, can you explain how this would work? Why would the brutes not immediately turn around and kill the guy who had trapped them? Or at least, never return. 

Overall, this is a really cool concept, the idea of torturing brutes in this manner using their feruchemy, don't get me wrong. It's just impractical. You have to spend too much effort regulating anything, plus it's not a good torture if the victim can kill themselves if they want. It would be so much more efficient if you just keep them away from the pewter, and torture them the regular way.  

Edited December 4, 2016 by Spoolofwhool

[Red Ferring he/him]

On December 2, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Ookla the figberts said:

If they drew out all the strength at once though, wouldn't their neck be strong enough to break the collar?

No. Because Feruchemical pewter doesn't work like Allomantic pewter. It's just strength and the "swelling" effect is the muscles growing. There's no "invulnerability to harm" effect like there is (to a degree) with Allomantic pewter. A real life muscle man couldn't flex out of a metal collar so neither could Feruchemical pewter. That's my opinion at least. 

[Red Ferring he/him]

On December 2, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Spoolofwhool said:

 Also, I'm curious as to why you would need a pewter collar. Wouldn't you want something you can easily remove to prevent them from building up a big charge?

You don't "need" it really. It's just for dramatic effect. And also because it's ironic. The very receptacle of all the power that could help them in this situation, is actually what's going to kill them.

And how you got the collar on them to start? I just like the idea. I pretend it's an element of a story where all that was explained to my satisfaction. 

[Red Ferring he/him]

On December 3, 2016 at 10:55 PM, Spoolofwhool said:

Returning to the original post, can you explain how this would work? Why would the brutes not immediately turn around and kill the guy who had trapped them? Or at least, never return. 

So that last part was kind of a tag on. In my head, these Brutes aren't being tortured or held against their will. Or at least, they comply with their "commander" through coercion or whatnot. Maybe they're wearing the collar to fool the enemy that they're just poor slaves but actually hidden Brute warriors. Or maybe the collar is there as a symbol or just for dramatic effect as personal choice of the Brute. More sharing a scene that seemed cool to me than a practical capture method.