Swimmingly he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Why doesn't anyone think that PAINspren are used in fabrials causing PAIN? I mean, I might be drastically misinformed, but that seems a bit of a no-brainer to me.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Why doesn't anyone think that PAINspren are used in fabrials causing PAIN? I mean, I might be drastically misinformed, but that seems a bit of a no-brainer to me. Navani's notebook has an emerald with a flamespren in it (potentially) being used in her pain fabrial. The way I've speculated spren are bundles of base forms combined into one thing makes me suspect you could use a painspren too, though. Though I am increasingly less sure of anything regarding fabrials. 1
skaa he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Author Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Why doesn't anyone think that PAINspren are used in fabrials causing PAIN? I mean, I might be drastically misinformed, but that seems a bit of a no-brainer to me. I don't think it would be ethical to intentionally cause painspren to appear just so it can be captured for Artifabrian purposes because that would require causing pain to someone first (unless being pinched is enough to attract painspren). I think they looked for an alternative and found that flamespren can work just as well (perhaps with modifications in the cut of the gemstone). Edited February 17, 2014 by skaa
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Painspren aren't that difficult to attract - shallan attracts them with angst and tears. Anyway, I think the gems themselves are what attract the spren, rather than needing to bait them some other way, based on the wording of the notebook. There's even a diagram of the proper cut of gem to attract a painspren, though the way it's angled makes it difficult to tell if it's the same one as is in the agoknife.
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Painspren aren't that difficult to attract - shallan attracts them with angst and tears. Anyway, I think the gems themselves are what attract the spren, rather than needing to bait them some other way, based on the wording of the notebook. There's even a diagram of the proper cut of gem to attract a painspren, though the way it's angled makes it difficult to tell if it's the same one as is in the agoknife.The cut of the Pain gem looks completely different to me from the one in the knife. No matter what angle it is, I don't see how they could be the same.
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I guess, though I suppose it might take a different cut with a different gem.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) The cut of the Pain gem looks completely different to me from the one in the knife. No matter what angle it is, I don't see how they could be the same. Er, I'm not really sure if I'm in the wrong here. It seems completely obvious to me. I did a post on why they're the same here. They both have what seems to be the same spren inside them, and they are octagonal, they have their sides sculpted so there's three concentric octagons. I'm... not sure how to convince anyone of this, it just seems obvious to me. Edited February 17, 2014 by Moogle
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 The cut of the Pain gem looks completely different to me from the one in the knife. No matter what angle it is, I don't see how they could be the same. I'm not talking about the emerald with the flamespren.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) I'm not talking about the emerald with the flamespren. I apologize! However, that's the gem that's used in the pain knife. The flamespren trapped in an emerald seems to cause great pain. Navani also mentions there are 'thousands of combinations'. You know what, it strikes me that Peter Ahlstorm happened to confirm the Valley where the Nightwatcher is is on the map. Maybe he'd be so kind as to confirm the two gems are the same? I'll PM him if he isn't reading this thread. Edited February 17, 2014 by Moogle
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I apologize! However, that's the gem that's used in the pain knife. The flamespren trapped in an emerald seems to cause great pain. Navani also mentions there are 'thousands of combinations'. You know what, it strikes me that Peter Ahlstorm happened to confirm the Valley where the Nightwatcher is is on the map. Maybe he'd be so kind as to confirm the two gems are the same? I'll PM him if he isn't reading this thread. Thanks! That would be a great help.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Peter responded in a PM and said: I'm actually not sure, but to me it looks like the gem in the fabrial is a different cut from the rectangular emerald. So... I don't even know anymore. I thought that the emerald with a flamespren wasn't rectangular and that it was just a box left over from sketching out the shape (when sketching, artists tend to start with a few circles/squares/etc. and erase them after using them as a guide).
Swimmingly he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Shallan needs to meet Navani and take some Memories of her fabrials. That should get rid of the ambiguity. Also, can someone ask Issac? He will know what he was drawing.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 (edited) Shallan needs to meet Navani and take some Memories of her fabrials. That should get rid of the ambiguity. Also, can someone ask Issac? He will know what he was drawing. I've emailed him before about the Surgebinding chart, so I'll do that. He seems like a great guy. I kinda feel guilty, but there's nothing to be done for it. The theories demand knowledge! Edit: Email sent. Edited February 17, 2014 by Moogle 1
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Update from Isaac! I quote: "The flamespren trapped in emerald is not intended to be the same gem as the one used in the pain knife". It appears I was horribly wrong and will concede the point. It's probably a painspren in the fabrial, then. 1
PorridgeBrick he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 Word of Issac! It's spelled Isaac, fyi. It seems that no matter where I go, my name gets mispelled lol.
Cromptj he/him Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I think that the effect caused by the Fabrial is determined by three things: the type of gem, the cut of the gem,both of which determine the type of spren trapped, and possibly the position of the gem relative to others in the fabrial. The setting then determines how the power is accessed.
Moogle Posted February 17, 2014 Posted February 17, 2014 I think that the effect caused by the Fabrial is determined by three things: the type of gem, the cut of the gem,both of which determine the type of spren trapped, and possibly the position of the gem relative to others in the fabrial. The setting then determines how the power is accessed. The spren trapped in the gem probably matters, too, though I'm not entirely sure on the position of the gem mattering.
skaa he/him Posted February 18, 2014 Author Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Update from Isaac! I quote: "The flamespren trapped in emerald is not intended to be the same gem as the one used in the pain knife". It appears I was horribly wrong and will concede the point. It's probably a painspren in the fabrial, then. Ah. In that case, I shall remove the pain knife from Part II. Thanks for asking Isaac, by the way. Edited February 18, 2014 by skaa
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