Any Gilmore Girls Fans Out There?

[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

Because after this Netflix revival thing...I'm going to need therapy.  Binge watched it all tonight.  I am officially emotionally destroyed.  Help.  XD 

But seriously, any thoughts?  Was it all you expected? 

If you are a Gilmore fan and haven't watched, I highly recommend.  It was beautiful.  :')  

 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

I watched it as a teen, and I was contemplating watching the revival. I'll have to check it out, if it's good…  

[Kaymyth she/her]

I...need to watch this.

My husband is going to be so confused.

[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

5 hours ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

I watched it as a teen, and I was contemplating watching the revival. I'll have to check it out, if it's good…  

That's so cool!  I wasn't old enough to start watching it as a teenager when it was first on, but my entire family watches now.  If you like binging, do it with this show.  It was so worth it.

4 hours ago, Ookla the Mythical said:

I...need to watch this.

My husband is going to be so confused.

Tell me what you think when you do!  Why would your husband be confused?  Has he not watched this sacred show? 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Well, I've started it. Fifteen minutes in, and the nostalgia is strong. 

Also, fan theory: 

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Paul is part Silence. That's why no one can remember conversations with him.  

 

[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

50 minutes ago, Ookla the Pug-whisperer said:

Well, I've started it. Fifteen minutes in, and the nostalgia is strong. 

Also, fan theory: 

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Paul is part Silence. That's why no one can remember conversations with him.  

 

Ack! That's so cool!  XD  I wish you many cups of fresh coffee and a full stack of Kleenexs.   

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THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID.  That boy freaks me out.  lol

 

[Kaymyth she/her]

19 hours ago, Ookla the Fangirl said:

That's so cool!  I wasn't old enough to start watching it as a teenager when it was first on, but my entire family watches now.  If you like binging, do it with this show.  It was so worth it.

Tell me what you think when you do!  Why would your husband be confused?  Has he not watched this sacred show? 

Heh.  He has not, and I don't think he realizes that I ever did.  GG went off the air before we met, IIRC.  This is a bit outside of our usual genre, and he's going to be terribly puzzled when I insist on bingewatching it once NaNo is over.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Halfway through "Winter"….

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Great Noodly One, I am getting serious Twimom vibes from Emily Gilmore. Were….were these vibes there in the original series? Because I'm getting them.  

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Okay, to clarify: The thing that happened at Richard's funeral wasn't good. Lorelei did screw up, and she screwed up pretty badly. But Emily 1) could plainly see that Lorelei wasn't comfortable sharing a memory, 2) brushed off multiple protests from Lorelei, and 3) knew that she'd been drinking. Emily could've stopped her in the middle of her story, or given her a pass, but no, she has to heap on verbal abuse and deny her part in it. 

And this line right here: 

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Emily: Go back to your beloved town with its carnies and its misfits and tell them how your intolerable mother yelled at you at your father's funeral. They can all console you and tell you what a witch I am and how perfect you are! 

That sounds like something Twimom would say. Actually….if you take out the parts about the town and the funeral, I think it's something she has said to me before.  

 

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But Paris' appearance was perfect.  

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Further support for the Paul is a Silence theory? 

Rory is having lunch with River Song.  

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by Ookla the Pug-whisperer

[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

19 hours ago, Ookla the Mythical said:

Heh.  He has not, and I don't think he realizes that I ever did.  GG went off the air before we met, IIRC.  This is a bit outside of our usual genre, and he's going to be terribly puzzled when I insist on bingewatching it once NaNo is over.

Then that's an awesome excuse to rewatch the 7 previous seasons.  I'd snatch that one up.   

 

4 hours ago, Ookla the Pug-whisperer said:

Halfway through "Winter"….

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Great Noodly One, I am getting serious Twimom vibes from Emily Gilmore. Were….were these vibes there in the original series? Because I'm getting them.  

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Okay, to clarify: The thing that happened at Richard's funeral wasn't good. Lorelei did screw up, and she screwed up pretty badly. But Emily 1) could plainly see that Lorelei wasn't comfortable sharing a memory, 2) brushed off multiple protests from Lorelei, and 3) knew that she'd been drinking. Emily could've stopped her in the middle of her story, or given her a pass, but no, she has to heap on verbal abuse and deny her part in it. 

And this line right here: 

That sounds like something Twimom would say. Actually….if you take out the parts about the town and the funeral, I think it's something she has said to me before.  

 

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But Paris' appearance was perfect.  

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Further support for the Paul is a Silence theory? 

Rory is having lunch with River Song.  

 

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Your mom is like that??  My sincerest apologies and sympathetic cringes.  I have a grandmother who is a doppleganger of Emily.  My mom will hide her face and groan whenever Emily starts being.....herself.  XD  But yeah, I agree that Lorelai sometimes asks for it.  Emily doesn't have to be so grudging and bitter about those mistakes though.  Or be so vindictive.  O_o  

 As for River Song...I screamed.  XD  I love Alex Kingston so much.

 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Fangirl said:

Then that's an awesome excuse to rewatch the 7 previous seasons.  I'd snatch that one up.   

 

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Your mom is like that??  My sincerest apologies and sympathetic cringes.  I have a grandmother who is a doppleganger of Emily.  My mom will hide her face and groan whenever Emily starts being.....herself.  XD  But yeah, I agree that Lorelai sometimes asks for it.  Emily doesn't have to be so grudging and bitter about those mistakes though.  Or be so vindictive.  O_o  

 As for River Song...I screamed.  XD  I love Alex Kingston so much.

 

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Yeah, and the funny thing is, I think I may have recognized that back when the show first aired; but every time I had a thought about the similarities between Twimom and Emily, I dismissed it. "No, she couldn't be like that…." And now I'm watching Emily for the first time in years and I'm floored by the resemblance. 

Anyway, yes, Alex Kingston is awesome, and she's nothing less in this role. Favorite lines so far: 

"I'm voting for Brexit. It's just a protest vote. It'll never pass." 

"We lent them our riding mowers, why can't they lend us their gays?" (I'm still giggling over that one.) 

Also, I think Kirk should make more movies. He's a shoe-in for the coveted Good Try Award. 

 

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[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

22 hours ago, Ookla the Pug-whisperer said:

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Yeah, and the funny thing is, I think I may have recognized that back when the show first aired; but every time I had a thought about the similarities between Twimom and Emily, I dismissed it. "No, she couldn't be like that…." And now I'm watching Emily for the first time in years and I'm floored by the resemblance. 

Anyway, yes, Alex Kingston is awesome, and she's nothing less in this role. Favorite lines so far: 

"I'm voting for Brexit. It's just a protest vote. It'll never pass." 

"We lent them our riding mowers, why can't they lend us their gays?" (I'm still giggling over that one.) 

Also, I think Kirk should make more movies. He's a shoe-in for the coveted Good Try Award. 

 

I love those quotes!  The second one you mentioned had me rolling on the floor.  My favorite line of the year, I think. 

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Kirk does need to make more movies.  I'd be willing to watch an hour of them with the Stars Hollow citizens commentary along with it. XD  Just too funny.

 

Edited November 28, 2016 by Ookla the Fangirl

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

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I'm almost done with "Spring," and I am even more disturbed by pieces like this one praising Emily for that diatribe after the funeral. How can people praise her? How can they see her in anything even vaguely resembling a positive light? She is a manipulative, controlling shrew who bulldozes through life with no regard for the feelings of others. She's a verbal and emotional abuser, a textbook narcissist, and I don't care what these people praising her say, entrapping and verbally abusing your daughter is absolutely the wrong way to grieve. 

Argh.  

Still loving everyone else, though. The conclusion of the "line" story—with those guys who weren't even waiting for anything—was hilarious. Paris' speech to the Chilton freshman was exactly what I expected from her, in the best way.  

 

Edited November 30, 2016 by Ookla the Pug-whisperer

[Titan Arum]

I binged watched all four episodes with my girlfriend this past weekend...and was severely disappointed. A lot of the actions that most characters take seem out of character. The only two characters for me that seemed sincere to the original series were Paris and Taylor. I also feel that the entire premise is 5-7 years too late. Everything Rory does seems like it should be something that a 25 year old does, not a 32 year old. The references to the 30-something gang espouse this for me: it's not 30-somethings that are living at home with their parents now, it's the 20-somethings, recently graduated from college who are. 

[Mistbornwithakitty she/her]

 

4 hours ago, Ookla the Pug-whisperer said:

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I'm almost done with "Spring," and I am even more disturbed by pieces like this one praising Emily for that diatribe after the funeral. How can people praise her? How can they see her in anything even vaguely resembling a positive light? She is a manipulative, controlling shrew who bulldozes through life with no regard for the feelings of others. She's a verbal and emotional abuser, a textbook narcissist, and I don't care what these people praising her say, entrapping and verbally abusing your daughter is absolutely the wrong way to grieve. 

Argh.  

Still loving everyone else, though. The conclusion of the "line" story—with those guys who weren't even waiting for anything—was hilarious. Paris' speech to the Chilton freshman was exactly what I expected from her, in the best way.  

 

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I totally agree with you!  Having been around my grandmother and watching her treat my mother that way....it kind of disgusts me how anyone could defend that sort of behavior.  It's definitely emotional abuse.  Maybe they've never been around such a person?  Usually those who can't relate judge Lorelai harshly, those who've had the misfortune of living/dealing with these sort of people understand her reaction.  I'm not saying Lorelai deals with everything perfectly (because sometimes she totally doesn't), but she's justified in many of her reactions to her mother.  In other words, I feel ya sister.  ;)

Oh my word, yes!  I love Paris at Chilton.  She can be so kick-butt.  I especially loved when she kicked the bathroom door closed.  XD

     

 

1 hour ago, Titan Arum said:

I binged watched all four episodes with my girlfriend this past weekend...and was severely disappointed. A lot of the actions that most characters take seem out of character. The only two characters for me that seemed sincere to the original series were Paris and Taylor. I also feel that the entire premise is 5-7 years too late. Everything Rory does seems like it should be something that a 25 year old does, not a 32 year old. The references to the 30-something gang espouse this for me: it's not 30-somethings that are living at home with their parents now, it's the 20-somethings, recently graduated from college who are. 

Hmmmm.....being a fan of the new series, I don't really get where your coming from.  I do agree that it was a long time coming, but I'm sure there were reasons for that.  Honestly, I recently watched the first series again and I do feel like all the characters were fairly represented.  This is nine years later, people are going to have changed a little (except for the stubborn ones; like Paris and Taylor).  As for the 30-somethings...yeah, I can see that being a bit of a stretch.  But this is a comedy, not a documentary.  Maybe in Stars Hollow they do have a bunch of 30-somethings!  XD  I relate to Rory though, I'm going through a hard stretch a bit like hers, so it kind of hit a lot of notes with me.  People get lost in all stages of life.  Anyway, yep!  Even if we don't agree, thank you for sharing your opinion.  Always nice to hear a differing viewpoint.   

Edited November 30, 2016 by Ookla the Fangirl

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

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Rory? Um, why would you omit the poem? It's been tradition for 80-some years. If there was a fantastic reason—like maybe a war or a zombie invasion or something—then I could justify that, but just leaving it out to leave it out? Not the best idea in a tradition-focused town like Stars Hollow. You grew up there. You should know that people won't take the lack of poem well. 

But Stars Hollow: The Musical! is legitimately the best thing ever.  

 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Okay. Having finished the series, some quick thoughts….

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I wasn't fond of many of the choices Rory made in this miniseries. I still like her as a character, but wow did she make some selfish decisions. Doing the friends-with-benefits thing with Logan while he's engaged? Not cool. I mean, it would've been a totally different ballgame if they'd told Odette and she was fine with it, but that clearly wasn't the case here. Shrugging off a guarantee of a perfectly good job as a Chilton teacher was also fairly boneheaded. I get that teaching ~*~wasn't her calling~*~ but as someone who has spent months trying and failing to find a job close to my field that paid enough for me to live on, seeing Rory pass up a golden egg that's dropped into her lap was fairly cringe-worthy. And I get that pretty much everyone in her family is at least comfortably wealthy and so having a place to live and food in the fridge wasn't a concern for her, but seeing her take the flighty, emotional option rather than the solid, pragmatic one made her less relatable to me. Again, I still like her and empathized with her search for job and calling, but her choices didn't sit right with me. 

Lorelai and Emily's relationship was as complicated as ever. When I first saw the original series, I didn't appreciate the complexity of it, but now, I enjoyed it even more. They're often enemies, but always mother and daughter; frequently at each other's throats, but always hoping for peace. I tend to side with Lorelei more, recognizing my own mother in Emily, but I won't hesitate to say that Lorelei handles her mother far from perfectly. Sometimes she's downright antagonistic and trollish. Which is definitely realistic. It's not good, but it's real. I did enjoy their eventual sort-of reconciliation, though I inferred that there would be more fights and more bitterness down the road. There's a lot of bad blood in their relationship, and I don't think it will ever be entirely resolved; but I did like the small bit of closure we viewers got. 

There were some odd visual choices, especially in the last episode. The scene with Logan's pals was fun, though I thought it was a dream sequence for quite some time, because there were some elements that didn't seem easily explainable. I mean, I suppose the crow chanting Rory's name could have been a toy, and the guy on the unicycle could've been a paid actor or something, but….still. I would've been just as happy with a dream sequence about Rory wandering the mist-choked streets of Stars Hollow and running into a gang of steampunk gorillas. (See what I mean?) And then there was the dancers and the rose petals at Luke and Lorelei's wedding. I thought the whole thing was supposed to be spontaneous and secret? Where did the dancers come from? How long did it take them to get ready at that time of night? Do they just lounge around their homes, always dressed and with their hair in buns and ready to twirl at a moment's notice? Why were there rose petals falling from the sky? Did the Great Noodly One knock them from the gazebo roof with his noodly appendage? Yes, all of it looks pretty, but it doesn't make a whole lot of sense, which I found distracting. 

April was as annoying as ever, and not in a good way. Not like Michel. She was just an irritating punk kid who seems more clever on paper. I would have been pleased if the writers had simply left her in the script as a reference or two and not shown her onscreen. 

Despite those reservations, did I enjoy it? Yes. I did. It was very much like the old series. It felt like the old series, the quirky town, the fast talking, the witty banter, the cheeky humor. It felt like a real season of Gilmore Girls, more so than the last few seasons of the actual show during the writers' strike. It was pleasant, it was cute, it was addictive, it was fun. Would I recommend it to fans of the original series? Absolutely. I don't think everyone would give it a positive review, and I can see why some fans were disappointed in it, but I personally enjoyed it. 

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Those last four words, though. What the ever-loving storms? 

 

 

[Guest]

I have just seen this thread...  so sorry for being late to the party, but I love this show...  much to my husband's annoyance who once got really tired of hearing the little song playing each time it aired, so yes, when I heard about the revival, I was super excited. 

This show always ringed a sympathetic note with me, in large part because I am close to Rory's age (a few years older actually, but I have always related quite well to the character), so I was often going through similar phases as she while I was watching it (often with a slight delay, but the themes were often spot on). The whole University meltdown back in I can't remember which season embodied with clear perfection what I went through at a similar age. I will never forget the one scene where Rory cries her heart out on Dean's porch because she is suddenly incapable of keeping up with the pace while maintaining her expectations as high as they were. 

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So watching the show again, 10 years later was great. Rory is now in her thirties and while our life have taken much different paths, I still felt her. The pressure as you roam through your thirties to have something to show for it, the need for success and the awful feeling you might not be as "great" as your school record indicate you were supposed to be are aspects of life I personally had/still have to deal with. I felt her trajectory was very typical of several women within the same age range. Not everyone goes through the life searching phase into their young twenties: there are those people who roamed through the typical life benchmarks. They know what they want, where they want to be, they have no major set backs, they are big fish within their own tiny pond and once they graduate, they proudly jump into life with their impressive report card thinking surely they cannot fail.... A decade later, they are forced to look back and realize that while they have had achievements, the world hasn't quite bowed to them as they naively thought it would back when they were younger. I saw this into Rory... She hasn't made the smartest career choices and, in the end, she is force to contemplate the fact being smart and talented might not just be enough. Had she not spend the last 10 years waiting for her big break to happen, she might have taken up a better job and have done better. Her moving back home is also a common tale: many thirtysomething do end up in career dead ends or realize on the late they haven't quite chosen the right path which forces them to head back to.... mom and dad. I loved that part, I thought it was an hilarious take on a modern reality. I especially love when the "thirtysomething gang's parents" approach Lorelai... That was great. And the wookie. Really. Kudos to Lorelai to ask if the wookie kept his costume on.... How could they leave us with such a cliffhanger???

I also loved Paris. Oh Paris. I love how despite her awards, her diplomas, her outstanding and successful career, she still is shy, awkward Paris who genuinely wants people to like her, but is incapable of merely saying it, instead hiding behind anger and snarky comments. It shows how no matter how old we get, no matter what we have to show in terms of accomplishments, there often still is a teenage girl hiding inside us who just wants to fit in, to be accepted. The bathroom meltdown was Paris admitting she might have graduated from High School, but part of her never truly left and she still yearns for what she missed. Does this feeling ever go away? I have asked myself this question often enough I thought it was great to see Paris asks herself the very same one. 

I was also pleased to see Lorelai finally growing up. Life allowed her to get a prime chance at looking back into her past self thus realizing her hunt for independence, while admirable, has caused her to keep people who loved her at bay. She has hurt people, her mother especially, so it was great to see her finally starting to acknowledge it. For my part, her greatest growth moment was not the wedding, but her asking Emily to lent her the money to buy her new Inn while being willing to wholeheartedly accept her mother's "conditions". The Full Circle.

I was thus not disappointed in the show, worst I want more  I want to know what happens next. I agree Rory makes bad choices, but we all make bad choices. We all start up our life being idealistic and thinking we are going to do better only to realize we are just one fish into a very big pond and now the baby.... I really want to know what happens next. Can Rory fix things up with Logan? Will Logan finally stand up to his father and trust the "dynastic plan" down into the sewer or will Rory raise her child as a single-mom? I love those two together. I love Logan. I wanted to see more of him, so I hope Netflix orders another season  

 

 

[Kaymyth she/her]

13 minutes ago, maxal said:

I have just seen this thread...  so sorry for being late to the party, but I love this show...  much to my husband's annoyance who once got really tired of hearing the little song playing each time it aired, so yes, when I heard about the revival, I was super excited. 

This show always ringed a sympathetic note with me, in large part because I am close to Rory's age (a few years older actually, but I have always related quite well to the character), so I was often going through similar phases as she while I was watching it (often with a slight delay, but the themes were often spot on). The whole University meltdown back in I can't remember which season embodied with clear perfection what I went through at a similar age. I will never forget the one scene where Rory cries her heart out on Dean's porch because she is suddenly incapable of keeping up with the pace while maintaining her expectations as high as they were. 

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So watching the show again, 10 years later was great. Rory is now in her thirties and while our life have taken much different paths, I still felt her. The pressure as you roam through your thirties to have something to show for it, the need for success and the awful feeling you might not be as "great" as your school record indicate you were supposed to be are aspects of life I personally had/still have to deal with. I felt her trajectory was very typical of several women within the same age range. Not everyone goes through the life searching phase into their young twenties: there are those people who roamed through the typical life benchmarks. They know what they want, where they want to be, they have no major set backs, they are big fish within their own tiny pond and once they graduate, they proudly jump into life with their impressive report card thinking surely they cannot fail.... A decade later, they are forced to look back and realize that while they have had achievements, the world hasn't quite bowed to them as they naively thought it would back when they were younger. I saw this into Rory... She hasn't made the smartest career choices and, in the end, she is force to contemplate the fact being smart and talented might not just be enough. Had she not spend the last 10 years waiting for her big break to happen, she might have taken up a better job and have done better. Her moving back home is also a common tale: many thirtysomething do end up in career dead ends or realize on the late they haven't quite chosen the right path which forces them to head back to.... mom and dad. I loved that part, I thought it was an hilarious take on a modern reality. I especially love when the "thirtysomething gang's parents" approach Lorelai... That was great. And the wookie. Really. Kudos to Lorelai to ask if the wookie kept his costume on.... How could they leave us with such a cliffhanger???

I also loved Paris. Oh Paris. I love how despite her awards, her diplomas, her outstanding and successful career, she still is shy, awkward Paris who genuinely wants people to like her, but is incapable of merely saying it, instead hiding behind anger and snarky comments. It shows how no matter how old we get, no matter what we have to show in terms of accomplishments, there often still is a teenage girl hiding inside us who just wants to fit in, to be accepted. The bathroom meltdown was Paris admitting she might have graduated from High School, but part of her never truly left and she still yearns for what she missed. Does this feeling ever go away? I have asked myself this question often enough I thought it was great to see Paris asks herself the very same one. 

I was also pleased to see Lorelai finally growing up. Life allowed her to get a prime chance at looking back into her past self thus realizing her hunt for independence, while admirable, has caused her to keep people who loved her at bay. She has hurt people, her mother especially, so it was great to see her finally starting to acknowledge it. For my part, her greatest growth moment was not the wedding, but her asking Emily to lent her the money to buy her new Inn while being willing to wholeheartedly accept her mother's "conditions". The Full Circle.

I was thus not disappointed in the show, worst I want more  I want to know what happens next. I agree Rory makes bad choices, but we all make bad choices. We all start up our life being idealistic and thinking we are going to do better only to realize we are just one fish into a very big pond and now the baby.... I really want to know what happens next. Can Rory fix things up with Logan? Will Logan finally stand up to his father and trust the "dynastic plan" down into the sewer or will Rory raise her child as a single-mom? I love those two together. I love Logan. I wanted to see more of him, so I hope Netflix orders another season  

 

 

I think the only thing I disagree with here is Logan.

I honestly can't stand him.  He's spoiled, selfish, and more than a little bit narcissistic.  The events of the revival pretty much continue that; Logan does what Logan wants, unless it defies his father, in which case he'll do what his father wants on the surface and then sneak around and do what (or who) he wants on the side, and to heck with the collateral damage.

I'm still bitter that Rory never dated Marty.  Like, never even acknowledged that Marty had a crush on her.  They had so much in common, so strong of an actual connection, and she (or the show) just dumped him off to the side and never mentioned him again.

[Guest]

Just now, Kaymyth said:

I think the only thing I disagree with here is Logan.

I honestly can't stand him.  He's spoiled, selfish, and more than a little bit narcissistic.  The events of the revival pretty much continue that; Logan does what Logan wants, unless it defies his father, in which case he'll do what his father wants on the surface and then sneak around and do what (or who) he wants on the side, and to heck with the collateral damage.

I'm still bitter that Rory never dated Marty.  Like, never even acknowledged that Marty had a crush on her.  They had so much in common, so strong of an actual connection, and she (or the show) just dumped him off to the side and never mentioned him again.

Fair enough. I always liked Logan though. I read him as the rich certainly spoiled kid struggling not to be a disappointment, constantly being forced into a path he hasn't chosen (I love this trope, I have a soft spot for those characters, but they have to grow, at some point). The revival showed Logan to be exactly where I expected him to be: working for his father, marrying who his father told him to marry and seeming completely unhappy about it. I disagree he is sneaking around, mindless of consequences: Rory is a grown woman. Logan was frank with her from the start: she knew about Odette and she knew Logan didn't have the balls to stand up to his father, even if it is obvious it is Rory he loves. The Bed and Breakfast scene was rather telling... Rory asks him if he has to marry Odette and Logan answers he has to stand up to the "dynastic plan". They both knew what they were getting into, I can't fault one more than the other. Logan cheated on Odette, Rory agreed to be the mistress: they both have their bad here and I am not willing to through it back to either.

I always thought Logan's character had potential for growth, for exploration, but he needs to grow a spine first. I was never into Marty: he fell flat to me, though I agree he disappeared rather quickly. I recall wondering where the heck did he go. I also found Logan more interesting because he came from the Gilmore's world and Rory dating him was another benchmark where she ends up admitting this life her mother hated might not have been all bad. It has been a recurring theme in the series, how Lorelai trusts away her old life without ever looking back, but how Rory is charmed by it. Logan made perfect sense in the continuity. He seemed the one boyfriend Rory was the most at ease with, the one able to drag her young goofy side out, capable of re-creating all those silliness she indulged with her mom. To me, he fitted the best. So yeah I would be curious to see where the writers would bring them in the next season... I mean, they had Rory share a "moment" with more mature Jess.... and they hinted she might never tell Logan about the baby... So huh... I want more 

 

[Kaymyth she/her]

12 minutes ago, maxal said:

Fair enough. I always liked Logan though. I read him as the rich certainly spoiled kid struggling not to be a disappointment, constantly being forced into a path he hasn't chosen (I love this trope, I have a soft spot for those characters, but they have to grow, at some point). The revival showed Logan to be exactly where I expected him to be: working for his father, marrying who his father told him to marry and seeming completely unhappy about it. I disagree he is sneaking around, mindless of consequences: Rory is a grown woman. Logan was frank with her from the start: she knew about Odette and she knew Logan didn't have the balls to stand up to his father, even if it is obvious it is Rory he loves. The Bed and Breakfast scene was rather telling... Rory asks him if he has to marry Odette and Logan answers he has to stand up to the "dynastic plan". They both knew what they were getting into, I can't fault one more than the other. Logan cheated on Odette, Rory agreed to be the mistress: they both have their bad here and I am not willing to through it back to either.

I always thought Logan's character had potential for growth, for exploration, but he needs to grow a spine first. I was never into Marty: he fell flat to me, though I agree he disappeared rather quickly. I recall wondering where the heck did he go. I also found Logan more interesting because he came from the Gilmore's world and Rory dating him was another benchmark where she ends up admitting this life her mother hated might not have been all bad. It has been a recurring theme in the series, how Lorelai trusts away her old life without ever looking back, but how Rory is charmed by it. Logan made perfect sense in the continuity. He seemed the one boyfriend Rory was the most at ease with, the one able to drag her young goofy side out, capable of re-creating all those silliness she indulged with her mom. To me, he fitted the best. So yeah I would be curious to see where the writers would bring them in the next season... I mean, they had Rory share a "moment" with more mature Jess.... and they hinted she might never tell Logan about the baby... So huh... I want more 

 

Oh, I agree that Rory knew what she was getting into.  But Odette certainly doesn't.  And I genuinely don't have any problems with consensual non-monogamy; my major problem with the situation is that Odette doesn't know.  So it's not really consensual amongst all parties.  And yeah, they're both guilty there.  I can see so many places where Rory quietly dismissed her as a chalk outline of a person who didn't really exist...until she did.  Come on, Rory.  You know better. 

The real difference here in how I view Logan and Rory in this is that Logan doing it doesn't surprise me at all because this is par for his course.  Rory, though, disappointed me.

Marty was a Pinocchio; he suffered from Writers Didn't Really Care Enough To Make Me A Real Boy Syndrome.  Poor kid.

But really, Logan's in his thirties now, too.  He's way too old for that whole poor little rich boy schtick.  He's had more than enough time to grow a pair and start acting like an adult.  But it's easier not to, so he doesn't.

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21 hours ago, Kaymyth said:

Oh, I agree that Rory knew what she was getting into.  But Odette certainly doesn't.  And I genuinely don't have any problems with consensual non-monogamy; my major problem with the situation is that Odette doesn't know.  So it's not really consensual amongst all parties.  And yeah, they're both guilty there.  I can see so many places where Rory quietly dismissed her as a chalk outline of a person who didn't really exist...until she did.  Come on, Rory.  You know better. 

The real difference here in how I view Logan and Rory in this is that Logan doing it doesn't surprise me at all because this is par for his course.  Rory, though, disappointed me.

Marty was a Pinocchio; he suffered from Writers Didn't Really Care Enough To Make Me A Real Boy Syndrome.  Poor kid.

But really, Logan's in his thirties now, too.  He's way too old for that whole poor little rich boy schtick.  He's had more than enough time to grow a pair and start acting like an adult.  But it's easier not to, so he doesn't.

Well Odette was just one of those practically nameless unseen character: it is hard to truly put feelings onto her. It might be she was just a sweet girl and she would be devastated to find out Logan has been cheating on her or it might be she is just in it for the money and the "dynastic plan", having a lover on the side as well. We truly do not know, so I try not to put too much thought onto her character. In other words, I am withholding judgment up until I get a glimpse of who she really is.

I was not disappointed in Rory. Sure, I would have preferred if she had chosen a guy free of any attaches but then again, it is Rory we are talking about. This isn't the first time she slips into the role of the "other woman". Remember Dean and Lindsay? That's the thing with Rory: she was raised by Lorelai and, just like her mother, she yearns for independence. She refuses to let her father help her, monetarily speaking, even if he keeps offering and she refuses to let anyone into her life unless it is on her terms. Just like Lorelai. Lorelai would could never accept men stepping into her own little world and making their demands: she had to be the one demanding. It had to come from her or else she would buck away, fearing her she might loose her agency. Rory has similar issues, but instead of pushing men away, ever since she is an adult, she genuinely seems to choose the ones who aren't available: married Dean, engaged Logan, faraway Paul... There is a trend here. As for Logan, he did ask her to marry him, but it was on his terms. He scared her away with his ultimatums and his demands: she ran. Do not touch my independence! Hence, I was not surprised to see her fall into a "no attach" and a "what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas" relationship with an unavailable guy. She should know better, but I think she hasn't grown up enough to truly realize it.

Ah true about Marty. He never got a chance. I too thought he and Rory would eventually date, but in retrospective, I think poor Marty didn't add enough spices to the show. It made sense to have Rory fall for the rich boy. Her mother would have preferred Marty, her mother would have loved Marty, but Rory isn't Lorelai. Lorelai chose the sympathetic dinner guy, but Rory ends up choosing spoiled rich kid with a funky side. Rory is the one who always loved the mansion, Lorelai is the one who always hated it. It keeps coming back into the show. Also, Logan most probably was Lorelai's least favorite boyfriend for Rory. She hated him for making her cry.

Should Logan know better now he has reached his thirties? Of course. He should. Theoretically, but we both know people grow at their own pace and while maturity should have happened, it can still be long in the coming. I would also add Logan childish, playful and foolish ways have always been his way to defy his father's authority. He can't stand up to him, not in person, so he gets back at him by investing all his time and effort into the Life and Dead Brigade (jumping out of airplanes wearing gorillas masks....). Even as an adult, he clings to those ideas because they are the only way he can breath through the pressure induced on him by the whole "dynastic plan". I think it might the only aspect of his life which truly belongs to him, so it might be why he has such a hard time growing up. Besides, growing up would mean becoming Mitchum and I think it might the last thing Logan wants. Another recurring theme in the show which we see with Lane and Dave as they both grow up being a lot like.... their respective parents, despite keeping their love for music. We see it again with Emily (the reverse but still working on similar thematic) who, now a widow, seems to finally allow herself to grow loose and loose Emily has a lot more in common with Lorelai then we initially though.

Ah I love this show. When does the next season airs? Now Rory is pregnant, she seems ready to raise her child, alone, like her mother, but she isn't Lorelai. What worked for her mother might not work for her. To be followed.