marsoupial they/them Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 So, it is generally established that in Well of Ascension, at, well, the Well of Ascension, Hoid steals a lerasium bead and is somehow using it (I assume Feruchemically, don't know why) and that got me thinking, what could lerasium be used for Feruchemically? Well, I have an idea. Time travel. No, no, bear with me, dear readers. I know you all think I've gone insane, in fact, most of my friends believe that to be true. But bear with me for just a moment longer. Hoid has been travelling all over the cosmere, for some reason unbeknownst to us, and he continues to pop up during the most important times. But no one can be that punctual, not even our dear King's Wit himself, so I wonder: Could lerasium be used to traverse the winds of time? Filling your lerasium-mind could enable you to go backwards as far as you please, and tapping it would enable you to go forwards. Or maybe I've just been watching too much Doctor Who. Regardless... thoughts? Ideas? Observations? Criticisms? Suggestions? Advice? Information? Free giveaways? Any input is welcome.
Yata he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) We have a WoB that said Hoid has Time-Traveling ability. But He never went in the past...just further in the future. Quote Can Hoid jump through time? If so, can Shards jump through time? BRANDON SANDERSON Hoid, so far, has only moved forward in time. He has not 'lived' all of those years, but has used some time dilation techniques. That said, he is far older (both in relative and real time) than a normal person can live. Edited September 4, 2016 by Yata 1
marsoupial they/them Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) Oh, ok. Thanks. What if there was an alloy of cadmium + bendalloy, and the Feruchemical use for that was being able to slow down and speed up time in a bubble around you? Edited September 4, 2016 by bleeder
Yata he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 I am a bit confused. why did you add a new (and impossible) alloy...when the effect you want is already in the scope of Cadmium and Bendalloy alone ?
marsoupial they/them Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 Just now, Yata said: I am a bit confused. why did you add a new (and impossible) alloy...when the effect you want is already in the scope of Cadmium and Bendalloy alone ? Well, I was thinking along the lines of time travel for lerasium (as in going backwards and forwards in time), and you can just disregard the second part about the alloy, my brain goes weird places when I theorize, sorry.
Torrieltar Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 You're right about Hoid using Feruchemy to show up for all of these important events, though. Quote Mike Cockrum Hoid is regularly around when important events take place. How does he know where to go? Brandon Sanderson He uses Feruchemy. Part of it that will show up in later books. Whether his Lerasium bead is involved with this or not is anyone's guess. Personally, I think he's using Chromium, but who knows?
Yata he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 Yeah it's possible but we have to undestand if the "I know where I have to go" Hoid's Ability is there before the Mistborn trilogy...or if he gains in the Mistborn trilogy
marsoupial they/them Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 3 minutes ago, Evenstrom said: You're right about Hoid using Feruchemy to show up for all of these important events, though. Whether his Lerasium bead is involved with this or not is anyone's guess. Personally, I think he's using Chromium, but who knows? I have had my internal struggles with Chromium Feruchemy, and I don't know if it's that reliable Maybe we just RAFO?
Oversleep Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Evenstrom said: You're right about Hoid using Feruchemy to show up for all of these important events, though. Whether his Lerasium bead is involved with this or not is anyone's guess. Personally, I think he's using Chromium, but who knows? 24 minutes ago, Yata said: Yeah it's possible but we have to undestand if the "I know where I have to go" Hoid's Ability is there before the Mistborn trilogy...or if he gains in the Mistborn trilogy We know he left the other lerasium bead because of his Hoid sense (that Feruchemy which tells him where to go and where). So he was using it before he gained lerasium. Edited September 4, 2016 by Oversleep 2
Yata he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 6 minutes ago, Oversleep said: We know he left the other lerasium bead because of his Hoid sense (that Feruchemy which tells him where to go and where). So he was using it before he gained lerasium. I didn't considerate this fact, thanks...there is some possibility that Hoid used the F-Lerasium Ability just after obtained it (this tell him to not take the other bead) but it's an unlikely hypotesis
marsoupial they/them Posted September 4, 2016 Author Posted September 4, 2016 22 minutes ago, Oversleep said: We know he left the other lerasium bead because of his Hoid sense (that Feruchemy which tells him where to go and where). So he was using it before he gained lerasium. Found this on Coppermind: Hoid does not yet have the abilities of every planet he's visited.[42] Some of his powers predate the Shattering, but none of them are gained through Hemalurgy.[43] When asked about how many types of magic he can use, Brandon has pointed out that they are all really part of the same system so it's difficult to count, but he wouldn't say that Hoid knows 'hundreds' of varieties of magic.[44] Feruchemy - Hoid uses Feruchemy to gain limited foresight--he knows where he needs to go and when he needs to be there.[46][47] Allomancy - Hoid retrieved a bead of Lerasium from the Well of Ascension so that he could become an allomancer.[20][48] Brandon has been very careful with his wording[49], so it is unclear if he used it for that purpose, but he does appear to consume metal in Shallan's flashback the same way an Allomancer would.[50][51] Brandon also said that he did it to make people act a certain way, implying that he was burning brass or zinc.[52]
Argel he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 I think it's safe to say that his special luck and the ability to time-dilate forward both predate the Lerasium bead. I mean, he was alive before the shattering, so he had to have some tricks to keep him alive this long, and time-dilation is one of the obvious ones.
Yata he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 10 minutes ago, Argel said: I think it's safe to say that his special luck and the ability to time-dilate forward both predate the Lerasium bead. I mean, he was alive before the shattering, so he had to have some tricks to keep him alive this long, and time-dilation is one of the obvious ones. I think we have a WoB who said that He is immortal....He also uses time dilatation but He doesn't need to survive the ages.
Jondesu he/him Posted September 4, 2016 Posted September 4, 2016 (edited) Hoid definitely shows up in a lot of places before Mistborn, but he never makes reference to that (though we also simply never get a chance like we did with our Radiants). I wonder if his Feruchemical "luck" or whatever it happens to be is a recent addition, though, since he's disappearing from one place or another quite a bit in WoK and WoR, and says that it doesn't work as well as he'd like (implying to me that he's somewhat new at using that talent, at least in relative terms). He may have indeed gained Feruchemy and Allomancy both during or around the time of Mistborn (with or without the Lerasium, since we still don't know exactly what he did with that). Edit: Before that, I would imagine he had to do a lot more manual research and searching. If any of the Shards are friendly to him (Edgli maybe, or some we haven't met), they might have provided some help and information as well. jW Edited September 4, 2016 by Jondesu
Yata he/him Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 As @Jondesu said, Hoid never mention about the need to move before. But for example, He was in Elantris exactly when the city is about to be restored. Of course from the text seems He spents years there to wait the right moment, but this may mean nothing. We know how hard is to traver through Sel's CR (He may simply chose to stay there and wait instead of going around in the Cosmere and then have to cross again Sel's CR)
Oversleep Posted September 5, 2016 Posted September 5, 2016 (edited) Well, he never mentioned it, that's true. But even if he wanted to, he couldn't have - he had just cameos; but in Stormlight, he's a character and has a much larger parts of text. INstead of assuming that it means that it's a new ability, I think it's all because he now has more place to do things and say things. I found a WoB on time travel: Quote Questioner: Can Worldhoppers travel forwards and backwards in time or are they stuck going forward? Brandon: They are stuck going forward. Good question. Questioner: So Hoid has to move in a straight line?] Brandon: He has to move in a straight line. It can squish-- stretch or squish that line but he can’t go back along the line.source Edited September 5, 2016 by Oversleep
Darkness he/him Posted September 6, 2016 Posted September 6, 2016 Nah, Hoid just uses his full Feruchemist slave, Slappy, for the time dilation and event finding... and the occasional raft impersonation.
marsoupial they/them Posted September 6, 2016 Author Posted September 6, 2016 7 hours ago, Darkness said: Nah, Hoid just uses his full Feruchemist slave, Slappy, for the time dilation and event finding... and the occasional raft impersonation. I wonder what ever happened to Slappy...
Jondesu he/him Posted September 6, 2016 Posted September 6, 2016 6 hours ago, bleeder said: I wonder what ever happened to Slappy... Didn't the juice keep him from going Beyond? jW
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