Jenet

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

I am reading through Kaladins horse session (which is fun) and that chapter features Jenet, the stablemaster. I think she got rather much description and personality for such a minor character, so Im wondering if she will have more appearances?

[Sam Script he/him]

Interesting, some characters in TWoK were totally redundant but became absolutely important in WoR. I think nobody can actually answer your suggestions, but that's possible. 50-50.

[goody153]

Yeah i was wondering about this as well, since i just did reread WoR. Again.

[Argel he/him]

Considering how much Dalinar likes his Rysh(however the frack you spell it) horse I would say odds are good we see her in SA3 flashbacks. Maybe we even get to see Adolin's first time riding (certainly an additional flashback opportunity).  

[maxal she/her]

On 8/15/2016 at 11:00 PM, Argel said:

Considering how much Dalinar likes his Rysh(however the frack you spell it) horse I would say odds are good we see her in SA3 flashbacks. Maybe we even get to see Adolin's first time riding (certainly an additional flashback opportunity).  

Jenet is about Adolin's age, so I'd say we are unlikely to see her within Dalinar's flashbacks nor do I think Adolin's first time riding a horse will be a decisive event of Dalinar's past. I really hope to see the boys as children in those, but I am not putting my hopes too high.

[DSC01 he/him]

I suspect that we will see the boys, since Dalinar's visit to the Nightwatcher almost has to be in his Oathbringer flashbacks, and Adolin and Renarin obviously would have been born by then. I think it just makes sense for them to appears at least once. We should get some notion of how Dalinar treated them as children. His sons are surely part of his story.

Now, as to the topic at hand, it seems pretty clear to me that Adolin has some kind of history with Jenet. It may have just been a gag thrown in to illustrate how just about every woman who knows Adolin has a grudge against him for his thoughtless behavior towards them in the past. I'm hoping that we find out why she's so angry at him, though. She doesn't seem the type to be a former romantic interest, but it would be interesting if she was. Adolin at first came off as a bit of a ladies man, but as WoR went on, it seemed more like he was just a young man who didn't know what he wanted in a relationship accidentally hurting women as he tried to find out. It would be nice to see his some of his former romantic interests turn out to be very different from the shallow noblewomen we see him courting before Shallan's arrival. I don't see her becoming any kind of major character, but she could be an interesting minor one.

[maxal she/her]

1 hour ago, DSC01 said:

I suspect that we will see the boys, since Dalinar's visit to the Nightwatcher almost has to be in his Oathbringer flashbacks, and Adolin and Renarin obviously would have been born by then. I think it just makes sense for them to appears at least once. We should get some notion of how Dalinar treated them as children. His sons are surely part of his story.

Now, as to the topic at hand, it seems pretty clear to me that Adolin has some kind of history with Jenet. It may have just been a gag thrown in to illustrate how just about every woman who knows Adolin has a grudge against him for his thoughtless behavior towards them in the past. I'm hoping that we find out why she's so angry at him, though. She doesn't seem the type to be a former romantic interest, but it would be interesting if she was. Adolin at first came off as a bit of a ladies man, but as WoR went on, it seemed more like he was just a young man who didn't know what he wanted in a relationship accidentally hurting women as he tried to find out. It would be nice to see his some of his former romantic interests turn out to be very different from the shallow noblewomen we see him courting before Shallan's arrival. I don't see her becoming any kind of major character, but she could be an interesting minor one.

There are several scenes I'd love to see within Dalinar's flashback involving the boys... Adolin's birth as the birth of a first born son is supposed to be an important event and I'd like to know why they name him "Adolin" (a few speculations have been going on lately about his name and its resemblance to Adonalsium), Dalinar giving Adolin his first toy sword and thus putting him on the path to become a duelist, Renarin's sickness and his first seizures, Dalinar being told his youngest son isn't fit for training, the boys reaction after being told their mother died and Adolin winning his Shardblade. Of course, these are scenes I have imagined, in my head, may be relevant to Dalinar's flashbacks. I had wonder if the decision to present Dalinar's flashbacks in the third book as opposed to wait until book 5, as initially planned, may had to do with the need to better flesh out the father/son relationship in order to make a parallel with current days events. Unfortunately, while I do not know what drove Brandon's decision, I think it more likely the flashbacks will majorly focus on Dalinar's relationship with Gavilar, not much on his children. I assume we are going to see them pop around, but their existence seem not to be part of the "great mystery" surrounding Dalinar.

As for Adolin and his relationships, we do know it isn't just romantic relationships he has trouble with, but all relationships. He has steadily struggled to develop meaningful relationships with people, not just women. Blightsong asked Brandon the question, on my behalf, and yes it is actually important to his character. Another WoB explains we are going to find out a bit more about Adolin's issues with his past courtships, but not much, so I envision a few sentences much like we had in SoS to flesh out slightly how Wax found Wayne (I was hoping for more here). His problems, so to speak, seem to sprout from both young age and fear he wouldn't be good enough, though Brandon did not explain on what he meant with this one. My thoughts have been the character has consistently been afraid he'd fail, he'd been hiding his doubts and sporadic lack of self-confidence, he'd pretend to be dumb and not try for fear of actually being called out dumb, which led me to believe he is just... very afraid the women won't like him, so as soon as the relationship so much as moves forward, he sabotages it. Brandon said he was doing a lot of unconscious sabotaging, so it isn't so much he makes mistakes out of youth and inexperience (considering the number of women he dated, we can't say he is truly inexperience in the dating department), he just doesn't want to fail. I also think, as you say, not knowing what he wants definitely plays a factor combined with the inability to make a decision for himself.

Problem never was the women and I doubt all them were shallow: the problem is Adolin. So yes, I do expect to find out Jenet actually is a pretty nice woman, not shallow nor snobby. She could have made a good match with Adolin, but Adolin... has problems nobody want to acknowledge he has. I do not expect her to become anyone major, but I could see a small scene where Adolin goes to look at the horses, knowing he has to choose another mount (but all horses feel so peculiar now, so wrong), only to have Jenet come quietly near him. Adolin looks up surprised she isn't throwing rocks at him, but she merely wanted to say she was sorry about Sureblood. She heard losing a Rhysadium was hard and maybe it was too soon for him to choose another horse. Adolin would then say he doesn't the luxury to wait as Dalinar needs him to be riding. He'd then say he was sorry for whatever he did to her... Something like that, to present Jenet as a nice, thoughtful person and Adolin as much more than just a jerk. 

 

 

[DSC01 he/him]

I think we may see some of what you hope for, but we definitely won't see all of it. Adolin being born? Likely. Getting his first toy sword? Unlikely. Renarin's sickness? Maybe something about that. The boys hearing about their mother dying? Possible, but Dalinar's reaction is more important to telling his flashback story and will get more detail. Adolin winning his Shardblade? I'd say probably not.

[maxal she/her]

28 minutes ago, DSC01 said:

I think we may see some of what you hope for, but we definitely won't see all of it. Adolin being born? Likely. Getting his first toy sword? Unlikely. Renarin's sickness? Maybe something about that. The boys hearing about their mother dying? Possible, but Dalinar's reaction is more important to telling his flashback story and will get more detail. Adolin winning his Shardblade? I'd say probably not.

Yeah, I know that. I was merely stating what I would like to read, but I am aware what I want to read doesn't necessarily fit within the planning nor the structure. Adolin winning his Shardblade is the one flashback I have always wanted to read, but sadly merely knowing he won is dueling some guy who taunted him to accept an impaired duel is probably all we are ever going to find out. It's probably not relevant to the main narrative and since Adolin isn't Kaladin, we don't get to waste pages on good scenes relevant to him if they do not bear an impact onto the more important characters. 

The one scene I think we are likely to read is Adolin actually being born: this one would make sense within the Dalinar flashback sequence. For the rest, I doubt the boys will have anything else but a small cameo role.