SheSmiledAnyway Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 So, after wandering through the forums, I have formulated my first theory post. This theory: Which uses the excerpt from Stormlight 3 to suppose that Sarene is Dalinar's wife, which I'm not sure about, but it does look like Dalinar's wife and her brother could be Worldhoppers, possibly 17th Shard members, and this post, Which, in the midst of another discussion, points out something I saw before I knew what Adonalsium was, which is that the letters in Adolin are in Adonalsium as well. And it's just really strange that the names are so similar. In the same post, Devo also theorizes that when Wit name drops Adonalsium in WoK to Dalinar, Quote In fact, I think maybe Wit was testing to see if Dalinar intentionally named Adolin after Adonalsium to see if Dalinar knew more than he was letting on. Wit just blurts out "Adonalsium" out of the blue to gauge Dalinar's reaction, then asks Dalinar directly if the word means anything to him, then makes a comment that sometime gibberish words are unintentionally formed from the sounds of other words. It seems that he maybe noticed the coincidence that Adolin's name was made of sounds from Adonalsium and having verified that it was a coincidence and not intentional on Dalinar's part, makes an offhand comment about how it's funny that meaningless words (I'm including names here) can be made up of sounds from other words. Now, it would make sense that Dalinar knows nothing about the coincidence, but what about his wife? Again, going off of the assumption that she is not from Roshar, which is based on the Dalinar flashback reading we get where she is very clumsy, trying to use her left hand for everything, implying she isn't used to it, etc., she would know about Adonalsium. Now the question is why.... Thoughts and advice appreciated! 5
KnightRadiant she/her Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Hmmm... You have given me much to think about. I don't think it's Sarene, because there is a short story on Brandon's site taking place after the events of Elantris, where Sarene is pregnant. I doubt she'd want to worldhop after having a child to take care of. And, she's already married... I'm totally down for Shshshsh being a worldhopper. Due to what you said about Adonalsium, and what I've seen about left-handed/safehand stuff. I don't know why she would know about Adonalsium, but there are definitely some possible explanations.
SheSmiledAnyway Posted August 9, 2016 Author Posted August 9, 2016 Oh yes, I definitely don't think that it's Sarene, that would cause so many problems.
DeTess she/her Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Wasn't there a theory about it being Vivenna from warbreaker? There is at least some small possibility for that, given that Vasher is on Roshar too.
Argel he/him Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 Wit could have name dropped Adonalisum just to see if Dalinar had heard of it period. More to the point, Gavilar may have heard that name given all of the conspiracy stuff he was involved in, so Wit could have been testing Dalinar just to see if he was clued in or not. Though with that said, Gavilar did arrange the wedding.... Interesting theory. Could we please avoid rehashing those other theories. The problems with them have already been pointed out in other threads. Please do some searches (and don't forget that site:17thshard.com works on Google, DuckDuckGo, etc.) first please.
Assassin in Burgundy he/him Posted August 9, 2016 Posted August 9, 2016 There was a YouTube video of Brandon reading a chapter from SA3, and you do meet Dalinar's wife, albeit briefly. I think it's more likely for Shshshsh to be a member of the Ghostbloods, Sons of Honor, or another one of those factions after Urithuru and the Desolations.
SheSmiledAnyway Posted August 9, 2016 Author Posted August 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Assassin in Burgundy said: There was a YouTube video of Brandon reading a chapter from SA3, and you do meet Dalinar's wife, albeit briefly. I think it's more likely for Shshshsh to be a member of the Ghostbloods, Sons of Honor, or another one of those factions after Urithuru and the Desolations. That would make even more sense! And since the Ghostbloods especially have worldhoppers among their ranks, she could have still heard of Adonalsium.
teknopathetic he/him Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) Man, I hope it was a Worldhopper with the royal locks. Could you imagine someone on Roshar who could change their hair and eye color at will (wob that more physical changes are possible than just the hair). I also wonder if the Royal Locks pertain to any royal line. We know that only potential heirs to the throne inherit the royal locks. But could a different throne be enough to activate the power? My guess is the royal locks work because the owner BELIEVES the locks will work on a cognative and spiritual level. But, its unclear what would happen. The do mention Adolin's hair a lot though haha Edited August 14, 2016 by teknopathetic
Khyrindor he/him Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 (edited) @Argel I remember a WoB that says that almost exactly. Gavilar was into some stuff, and would have known about that. Hoid was fishing to see if Dalinar knew the same terms, or if he were "clean". Edited August 14, 2016 by Khyrindor 1
SheSmiledAnyway Posted August 14, 2016 Author Posted August 14, 2016 2 hours ago, teknopathetic said: Man, I hope it was a Worldhopper with the royal locks. Could you imagine someone on Roshar who could change their hair and eye color at will (wob that more physical changes are possible than just the hair). I also wonder if the Royal Locks pertain to any royal line. We know that only potential heirs to the throne inherit the royal locks. But could a different throne be enough to activate the power? My guess is the royal locks work because the owner BELIEVES the locks will work on a cognative and spiritual level. But, its unclear what would happen. The do mention Adolin's hair a lot though haha The hair is interesting. On Roshar, it is a clear sign of heritage, so it helps identify and descriube characters quickly. There is an interesting connection between its importance and the Royal Locks... I had been opposed to the idea that Shshsh could have royal locks because it seems like it would be obvious if that were passed on. But if the person themself needed to acknowledge or be aware of their inheritance, maybe it would work. Another connection that may or may not be relevant: becoming a Knight Radiant or possesing Shardplate lightens your eyes, a physical change just like the Royal Locks.
teknopathetic he/him Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 It could explain why a certain someone decided to becime the royal Swordsmanship teacher. Why would ***** want that position in the forst place? Maybe he wants to protect someone he feels kinship towards?
Argel he/him Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 1 hour ago, teknopathetic said: Why would ***** want that position in the forst place? It's likely his calling as an Ardent (have to have a way to "freeload").
Guest Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 13 hours ago, teknopathetic said: Man, I hope it was a Worldhopper with the royal locks. Could you imagine someone on Roshar who could change their hair and eye color at will (wob that more physical changes are possible than just the hair). I also wonder if the Royal Locks pertain to any royal line. We know that only potential heirs to the throne inherit the royal locks. But could a different throne be enough to activate the power? My guess is the royal locks work because the owner BELIEVES the locks will work on a cognative and spiritual level. But, its unclear what would happen. The do mention Adolin's hair a lot though haha Adolin does not have the royal locks and neither does Renarin. The hair question has been asked to Brandon and he did answer it: there is nothing special about the Kholin boys hair. The fact Adolin has a lot of blond and Renarin very little merely has to do with genetic: Adolin inherited more from his mother than Renarin. It has also been confirmed the boys were half Riran thus confirming once and for all the origin of Shshshsh. She isn't a world-hopper, she is exactly what she pretended to be: an Iriali refuge, though Brandon specifies she was Riran and not Iriali. Apparently, there is a genetic difference which will be explained going into the next book. Ah and the boys are paler skinned than most Alethi, but it never get noticed because Alethi do not care about skin tones. They care about eye color and hair which is why so many people comment on Adolin's hair. They aren't common nor natural among Alethi. Based on Dalinar's repetitive comments on Adolin's hair, I'd say it isn't just the color which isn't "normal", but also their unruly, messy nature. Dalinar thinks his son has a mop on his head: he doesn't comment on anyone else's hair, even his youngest son.
SheSmiledAnyway Posted August 14, 2016 Author Posted August 14, 2016 Interesting, thank you for the info, @maxal! It does still seem a possibility that Shshsh is slightly cosmere aware, Adolin and Adonalsium are just too similar.
Guest Posted August 14, 2016 Posted August 14, 2016 1 hour ago, SheSmiledAnyway said: Interesting, thank you for the info, @maxal! It does still seem a possibility that Shshsh is slightly cosmere aware, Adolin and Adonalsium are just too similar. It may be Adolin was the compromised name in between the Riran name his mother initially chose for him and a proper Alethi name... Renarin was probably chosen because it rimed with Adolin... After all, it does seem to be a thing within the Kholin family to give brothers similar sounding names (Gavilar and Dalinar). We do not know. However, we do know Adolin was initially named Aredor. Why did Brandon change the name is perhaps the question we should ask ourselves. It would be weird the only non-invested SA character would have a Cosmere aware name. If we are lucky, one of the flashbacks will feature Adolin's birth as the birth of a first born son has to be an important and we'll see how he got his name.
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