Thoughts on the Surge of Division

[one winged jhereg he/him]

Is it possible that Division works across all three realms (Physical, Cognitive, Spiritual)?  In regards to the Dustbringers, they preferred the name Releasers iirc. Could it be that they sever that bond between opponent and their spren?  Could the Skybreakers do something similar, thus letting them police the other orders?   I know we don't have enough information to make an educated guess on this, just something rolling around the old noggin.

 

PS  first time post, and cosmere noob so please forgive me if this has been discussed before.

[Brackcha he/him]

2 minutes ago, one winged jhereg said:

Is it possible that Division works across all three realms (Physical, Cognitive, Spiritual)?  In regards to the Dustbringers, they preferred the name Releasers iirc. Could it be that they sever that bond between opponent and their spren?  Could the Skybreakers do something similar, thus letting them police the other orders?   I know we don't have enough information to make an educated guess on this, just something rolling around the old noggin.

 

PS  first time post, and cosmere noob so please forgive me if this has been discussed before.

Welcome to the shard! Anyway I think that ability to sever bonds doesn't make sense since honor seems to be all about bonds and surgebinding is (partially) his magic system. Even if it didn't conflict with honor I think it would be a tad over powered as either one could unbond voidbringers easily then finish them off. It seems more likely to be the opposite of regrowth rather than something that severs bonds

[Erklitt]

1 hour ago, one winged jhereg said:

Is it possible that Division works across all three realms (Physical, Cognitive, Spiritual)?  In regards to the Dustbringers, they preferred the name Releasers iirc. Could it be that they sever that bond between opponent and their spren?  Could the Skybreakers do something similar, thus letting them police the other orders?   I know we don't have enough information to make an educated guess on this, just something rolling around the old noggin.

 

PS  first time post, and cosmere noob so please forgive me if this has been discussed before.

First: your guess is as valid as mine, I can only rely on my gut in this. And: welcome to the shard, have an upvote for your first post!

I have no information to invalidate your theory. And I'm relatively new too, so I wouldn't know about old threads. I think we newbies are perfectly free to discuss whatever we wonder about, no matter what happened here three years ago.

Just two thoughts:

1) The ability you're talking about sounds like something that might rather be part of the Bondsmiths' portfolio. They are all about forging - and so probably releasing - bonds. Many theorize that Dalinar's ability to unbond the madman's shardblade so quickly (in WoR ch. 89 The Four p. 1072 kindle edition ) was due to him just having become a Bondsmith. I think they have a point.

2) I understand the surges primarily as the ability to control / override physical laws. There may be more than that, especially in the specific benefits the orders get from their particular combination of surges. But this is how I view the surges themselves, taken individually.
In this way, I understand the surge of division as something counteracting physical or chemical cohesion. You have water - the surge of division might split it to hydrogen and oxygen. You have a rock - the surge of division might split the molecular connection and reduce it to dust. So, to my mind, no cognitive or spiritual realm is involved.

However, that's my subjective view. And I think you might be right about the Skybreakers: I think those specific benefits of the orders go beyond their surges, and for them 'division' might have a cognitive and spiritual dimension, granting them those special abilities to divide the innocent from the guilty that's described in the in-world book 'Words of Radiance'.

[CalaCrisp88]

I'm pretty sure all the surges only affect physical things. The ten surges are to Rosharans what the four fundamental forces (gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force) are to us. I doubt any of those ten would affect the Cognitive or Spiritual Realms.

[one winged jhereg he/him]

12 hours ago, 8giraffe8 said:

I'm pretty sure all the surges only affect physical things. The ten surges are to Rosharans what the four fundamental forces (gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force) are to us. I doubt any of those ten would affect the Cognitive or Spiritual Realms.

Well, I guess I shouldn't have expected my very first theory to be a game changer.   I was just hoping that we might have Lady Teldra/Godslayer kind of thing going on with Division.  Thanks for surge/fundamental force analogy, that clears up some of confusion.

[Yata he/him]

12 hours ago, 8giraffe8 said:

I'm pretty sure all the surges only affect physical things. The ten surges are to Rosharans what the four fundamental forces (gravity, electromagnetism, strong nuclear force, weak nuclear force) are to us. I doubt any of those ten would affect the Cognitive or Spiritual Realms.

say that to Trasformation and Trasport Surges 

Anyway The ten Suges are (like said) the Cosmere version of our Fondumental forces... But the Cosmere works in the three Realms therefore it's possible (or very likely) those Surges have effect on the realmatic interaction.

For example the source of the physical manifestation from a Cognitive aspect may be the Trasformation Surge (in the whole Cosmere) and the Soulcast is simply a trick for hack the standard work of the Trasformation Surges