Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 First this will most likely contain SPOILERS for BOTH STORMLIGHT BOOKS! So, Adolin is among the most skilled swordfighters we have met in the Cosmere. I thought it would be fun to debate how he would do against other skilled swordfighters, like Lan Mandragoran, Aragorn, Lothar, you name it. For the sake of discussion, Adolin has no Shardplate, and his opponents have swords that can block Shardblades. So, which fantasy swordsmen could beat Adolin in a duel? Didcuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyree he/him Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I'd love to see him go up against Brienne oF Tarth from ASOIAF or game of thrones. She's somewhat of a beast with a stick! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted July 27, 2016 Report Share Posted July 27, 2016 I would want to see Adolin vs. Aragorn: both are masters with the sword, though Adolin's extra reach with his blade would be tough to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 3 hours ago, Elenion said: I would want to see Adolin vs. Aragorn: both are masters with the sword, though Adolin's extra reach with his blade would be tough to match. No 'Blade is given to Adolin. (Otherwise normal swordsmen would be cakewalks) This question might hinge on what type of sword Adolin chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Landis963 said: No 'Blade is given to Adolin. (Otherwise normal swordsmen would be cakewalks) This question might hinge on what type of sword Adolin chooses. The OP only specified no Plate, and the condition that other swords could block Blades makes it sound like they would be allowed. With no Shardblades, I become pretty confident that Aragorn would come out on top. Anduril is a wicked weapon to face, and Adolin would be at a disadvantage because he wouldn't be used to a non-shard weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Am I the only one who thinks having his fighting being compartmentalized into 10 stances made to look flowery would play against Adolin? I also think Adolin has limited experience with a real sword which means I'd give the advantage to more of his opponents. Against Lan, I'd give the advantage to Lan. Against Rand, Galad or Gawyn, I'd give the advantage to Adolin. Against Brienne, I'd be a tough call. Against Aragorn, I'd give the advantage to Aragorn. Adolin without Shards just has a lot of disadvantages. He's talented, but his talent came mostly from hard training. Once trust outside his comfort zone, he may need time he doesn't have to adjust. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted July 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Is this TV-Brienne or book-Brienne. Book version do not have all the feats of TV-Brienne. I think Adolin would take both, honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Without his Shardplate I think Adolin would be at a severe disadvantage. His training has revolved entirely around using his Shardplate as he has always had it (iirc, he inherited from his mother's side of the family). Not to mention that Adolin is used to lower gravity then most other sword fighters (this assumes any world that does not have a specified gravity - ala, WoT, ASOIAF etc. is Earth gravity). I just think the style of fighting as a full Shardbearer is just so radically different when compared to regular swords that it would be almost impossible to compare them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elenion he/him Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 It's like asking Kaladin to use a sword instead of a spear. While he still would handle it very well due to his training plus stormlight, he wouldn't be nearly as effective as he would with a spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 6 hours ago, CaptainRyan said: Without his Shardplate I think Adolin would be at a severe disadvantage. His training has revolved entirely around using his Shardplate as he has always had it (iirc, he inherited from his mother's side of the family). Not to mention that Adolin is used to lower gravity then most other sword fighters (this assumes any world that does not have a specified gravity - ala, WoT, ASOIAF etc. is Earth gravity). I just think the style of fighting as a full Shardbearer is just so radically different when compared to regular swords that it would be almost impossible to compare them. It is said, somewhere in the books, learning to fight without Shards after having been a Shardbearer is extremely difficult. We can take it Shardbearers do adjust their fighting style to the fact they are wearing a nearly invincible armor needing several strong hits to even start to crack. We have seen Adolin, in book, use his armor as a helm to fend off blows. We have also seen him take blows in order to secure an advantage: these strategies will not work once he removes his Plate. He'd risk taking serious injuries were he to try it without his Plate to protect him. I'd also say, someone like Adolin, whom has had his Plate since his teenage years is probably at a severe disadvantage once outside of it for the mere fact he has literally no fighting experience while wearing normal gear. He never went to war without his Plate and if he is seen fighting without it for short period of times, he did walk out of those bruised and bloody. Still, Adolin has good swords techniques, talent and a keen eye for strategy which gives him an edge against more people, except those having more techniques, more talent, more practice and a keener eye for strategy. Lan, dixit the man who tricked Demandred, certainly falls within this category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyree he/him Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I think we're also forgetting Denth. In Warbreaker he has a reputation for his dueling skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted August 5, 2016 Report Share Posted August 5, 2016 No shield or armor? Just a sword? If Adolin's shardblade loses its magical properties and just becomes a really light and sharp sword, then... Denth or Hadrian Blackwater from Riyria should beat him with or without shardplate. Aragorn is stronger and more experienced than Adolin. He should win. Jaime should win too Spoiler with both hands of course Brienne of Tarth would probably lose. She's just a normal human without supernatural amps unlike the others. If Adolin doesn't underestimate her he has the edge in skill and strength. He should fight evenly with Rand, Field Marshal Tamas from Promise of Blood, or Jon Snow from GoT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2016 Jaime is not supernatural either. He's just really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 Hes better than brienne though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted August 9, 2016 Report Share Posted August 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, asterion137 said: Hes better than brienne though But Brienne probably fights like Eshonai with whom he had trouble with... I wouldn't give Brienne the short-hand just right away... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted August 10, 2016 Report Share Posted August 10, 2016 19 hours ago, maxal said: But Brienne probably fights like Eshonai with whom he had trouble with... I wouldn't give Brienne the short-hand just right away... Eshonai has the increased speed/strength of Stormform plus Shardplate (though Adolin had Shardplate as well so they cancel out). Brienne lacks the power of Stormform so I doubt she is a good comparison for Eshonai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw he/him Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Durzo Blint vs Adolin Durzo Blint would win this easily. Eragon vs Adolin This would be a tie. Anomander Rake vs Adolin Rake would win easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 2 hours ago, Straw said: Durzo Blint vs Adolin Durzo Blint would win this easily. Eragon vs Adolin This would be a tie. Anomander Rake vs Adolin Rake would win easily. Eragon would destroy adolin without shardplate imo. He's faster than Szeth or Kaladin, can nearly match a shardplate for strength, and equal to Adolin in sheer skill. Even with shardplate I would be hesitant to give Adolin the win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straw he/him Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Don't forget Brisingr's power to light on fire. Roasted Adolin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 44 minutes ago, asterion137 said: Eragon would destroy adolin without shardplate imo. He's faster than Szeth or Kaladin, can nearly match a shardplate for strength, and equal to Adolin in sheer skill. Even with shardplate I would be hesitant to give Adolin the win. Eragon could probably wipe the whole Stormlight Archives with his magic. He can one-shot people with the death words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 nah the cosmere has inherent magic resistance because of their investiture. Stormlight users would be REALLY hard to kill with death words because the death words sever nerves that will automatically be reknit instantly. Pure hand to hand Eragon beats everyone in Stormlight except maybe kaladin. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 On 19 augusti 2016 at 3:34 AM, asterion137 said: nah the cosmere has inherent magic resistance because of their investiture. Stormlight users would be REALLY hard to kill with death words because the death words sever nerves that will automatically be reknit instantly. Pure hand to hand Eragon beats everyone in Stormlight except maybe kaladin. I think Adolin could be a good match for Eragon. Eragon's good, but so is Adolin. In shardplate, I'd give it to him. He has beatenEshonai, was skilled enough to hide his skill while still beating his opponent, Dalinar though he was a genius with his blade, it was stated that two Shardbearers was a fair matchup for him... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterion137 he/him Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 26 minutes ago, Chull #445 said: I think Adolin could be a good match for Eragon. Eragon's good, but so is Adolin. In shardplate, I'd give it to him. He has beatenEshonai, was skilled enough to hide his skill while still beating his opponent, Dalinar though he was a genius with his blade, it was stated that two Shardbearers was a fair matchup for him... Eragon can block shardblade blows as he has comparable strength and a magic sword. Eragon is a swordmaster who was beating some of the best warriors in his world. However, the thing that I think would really let him beat Adolin would be his speed. Kaladin was outpacing shardbearers with ease, as was Szeth. Neither of them are nearly as fast as Eragon. Eragon can catch arrows on dragonback. He can move faster than even enhanced eyes can follow. If he breaks Adolin's Plate quickly, it's game over and most likely Eragon will be able to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 14 hours ago, asterion137 said: Eragon can block shardblade blows as he has comparable strength and a magic sword. Eragon is a swordmaster who was beating some of the best warriors in his world. However, the thing that I think would really let him beat Adolin would be his speed. Kaladin was outpacing shardbearers with ease, as was Szeth. Neither of them are nearly as fast as Eragon. Eragon can catch arrows on dragonback. He can move faster than even enhanced eyes can follow. If he breaks Adolin's Plate quickly, it's game over and most likely Eragon will be able to do just that. I can get behind that. Pure skill though, I'd say Adolin is better. But Eragon takes it from speed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted September 5, 2016 Report Share Posted September 5, 2016 My thoughts are Adolin is a very talented and intelligent swordsman, but he lacks the relevant experience. We must keep in mind he has been staying outside the demanding, challenging duels ever since his father adhere to the codes. He was about 16-17 years old. The wars on the Shattered Plains aren't a trial for him as all he does is slam effortlessly at undefended Parshendis. Even then, I am not sure those duels actually compare to true fighting against real foes. All in all, he has very limited experience with real fights. I thus think anyone with enough raw talent and experience would probably be a real trial for Adolin. For instances, I don't think Adolin can a beat Zahel... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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