Natans he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Syl had a name, but was surprised to remember it. Pattern will probably remember his name presently. And probably lie about it. After all is very risk to give your "real name" 1
Morsk he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 “And the parshmen?” “We will try to persuade the Alethi to rid themselves of those.” “Not an easy task.” Just how do you "rid yourself" parshmen anyway? Talk about euphanisms! It's ethnic cleansing at best, and only as long as others are willing to take them. Eventually there'd be no option but genocide. I bet fear of genocide of parshmen is what motivates Eshonai to finally take action. Her group risked a near-suicidal war against the Alethi to stop their gods from returning. But when they're risking the extermination of the entire species, she may say it's gone too far and invite the gods back.
+eveorjoy she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Just how do you "rid yourself" parshmen anyway? Talk about euphanisms! It's ethnic cleansing at best, and only as long as others are willing to take them. Eventually there'd be no option but genocide. I bet fear of genocide of parshmen is what motivates Eshonai to finally take action. Her group risked a near-suicidal war against the Alethi to stop their gods from returning. But when they're risking the extermination of the entire species, she may say it's gone too far and invite the gods back. Kill them all isn't necessary. Maybe send them all away?
Ironeyes Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 DANGIT I WANT THE NEXT KALADIN CHAPTER!!! I spent the last book infuriated that Kaladin had only figured out his Pressure surge and hadn't done anything with Gravity; now I'm biting my nails to see when he finally figures out he can fly!
Natans he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Kill them all isn't necessary. Maybe send them all away? Yeah about that think like this, the Alenthi society, a very Militar Nation, discover that the parshman are potential bringers of the Apocalipse and that only way that their can survive it's send they away, what they will do ? Send away Thousands or millions of enemies that are still docile but hat later could turn violent ? I think that they would kill the parshmen out of fear and a in the must inhuman way, like mass burnig o something like this. This is a very Alenthi thing(kill first ask question later.....) i believe.
Moogle Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Kill them all isn't necessary. Maybe send them all away? Parshmen set free in the wilds die in the wilds waiting for someone to order them around. They have no initiative, or so it is remarked upon in TWoK. It's possible the Alethi have been lying or are wrong about this, but yeah... you could always give the parshmen to the Parshendi, I suppose. Edited January 22, 2014 by Moogle 1
PhDoug Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 A few theories based on the chapters. ... - Chapter 7 is a Shallan Flashback chapter and Shallan is waking up to an accidental lightweaving of her past at the end of chapter 6. Going off of this tweet from a long time ago, where you can see the chapter order on the right hand side, I think Chapter 7 is going to be another Shallan shapter but not a flashback. So far, the chapter order has been right, but obviously a lot could have changed in since then. 4
Morsk he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Going off of this tweet from a long time ago, where you can see the chapter order on the right hand side, I think Chapter 7 is going to be another Shallan shapter but not a flashback. So far, the chapter order has been right, but obviously a lot could have changed in since then.Thanks for posting this. It's nice to know that Rysn, Ym, and Eshonai are all in the first interlude set. I'd started to get the feeling that we knew too much, but I guess we've only seen things from the beginning. 1
Ephemera she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) “Shallan crawled onto her cot with the book she’d been given and the pouch of spheres. Part of her was eager to begin, but she was exhausted, her eyelids drooping. It really had gotten late. If she started the book now…Perhaps better to get a good night’s sleep” No Shallan! You’ve shown some genre-savvy so far, don’t lose it now! Just grab some coffee, do some calisthenics and read that book now, or you may not get the chance! … “She awoke to screams, shouts, and smoke.” *groan* Think that book will survive? Possibly disaster-redacted? Edited January 22, 2014 by Ephemera 1
Awesomeness Summoned he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I think it will survive. It might take a few chapters for her to finally get the chance to read it but I doubt sanderson would title the current book Words of Radiance and then have no one read from that book within the story. 2
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 It has the edge of a cliffhanger with t the word smoke. Notice we didn't get the chapter immediately following Shallon. Speaking of smoke in curious as to what caused it. Where there is some, there is fire. But Roshar uses spheres for light. Which begs the question, who brought fire to the fight?
+eveorjoy she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Going off of this tweet from a long time ago, where you can see the chapter order on the right hand side, I think Chapter 7 is going to be another Shallan shapter but not a flashback. So far, the chapter order has been right, but obviously a lot could have changed in since then. There seems to be one more Kaladin chapter than the current draft, but otherwise it is spot on. Thanks for sharing. So Adolin gets a chapter in part 2. I wonder if he and Dalinar will switch off parts. Dalinar gets chapters in part 1 and 3. Adolin chapters are in part 2 and 4 and so on. Maybe not. We shall have to see. I bet the cliffhanger of part one is Kaladin seeing Amaram again. Edited January 22, 2014 by eveorjoy
Cheese Ninja he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Let's see. Shallan's spren has started growing in mental acuity. Pattern's cool, I wouldn't say he's attracted to lies so much as the complex interweaving of truth and falsehood in the statements of others. I'm not entirely sure that the Parshmen will necessarily have to become evil if they somehow trigger a change, despite what Jasnah believes. Soulcasting is more dangerous now since Tanvast died, and Honor was Splintered, but it's not as bad as Shadesmar on Sel. And we are left with a cliffhanger. We are given an explanation of how a true Shardblade loan works. The true owner can resummon the Blade to themselves at will. This add a bit of a hiccup with my theory that Helaran was loaned the Plate and Blade by the Ghostbloods, but maybe they simply didn't have anyone among themselves who was considered the true owner, and the two came more or less entirely out of some sort of storage. Dalinar suspects himself as the one who left the message on the wall, which makes sense to me. Amaram is coming soon. Ever since the Morse code snippet Brandon gave on reddit, it seemed like Amaram and Dalinar were old friends, and this will doubtless cause some issues for Kaladin. Also, (if I'm correct) Dalinar's elder son being provisionally engaged to the little sister of the guy who tried to kill Amaram should be another interesting topic. Kaladin has money now. Syl was the only Honorspren who came. Who did Syl's face change into momentarily there? Another true face for her, or some extention of her past, now mostly forgotten experiences? What exactly is the Stormfather? Jezrien's cognitive aspect, separated from his physical body, after having tried to take up some of Honor's post-death Splinters? I really don't know. I'm assuming the "red lightning" spren Sil sees are the like the corrupted spren that animate the Thunderclast in Dalinar's vision, but I can't be sure yet. Sigzil will soon get to take measurements of Kaladin's physical enhancements, which sounds slightly dirty out of context. And my endless quest to figure out when in the Roshar year all this is happening makes no progress, outside of knowing that chapter 8 is two days after the chapter where Dalinar finds the note scratched into the wall. I'm still thinking we're in the middle of month 7. Edited January 22, 2014 by Cheese Ninja 2
blackmagic3 he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 If the storm father is in the cognitive realm does that mean highstorms originate from the cognitive.
askthepaperclip he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Yes, it all makes sense now...Highstorms are all in your head! That must be how Kaladin survived being strung up: "I think I can, I think I can...." EDIT: Did anyone else try to scroll down on that Chapter layout twitter picture? LOL Edited January 22, 2014 by askthepaperclip 1
FollowYourMuse she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 With the explanation of how a true Shardblade loan works. That the true owner can re-summon the Blade to themselves at will. This finally explains Szeths Shardeblade and how the Stone Shamans can retrieve the blade if Szeth dies.
Moogle Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) This finally explains Szeths Shardeblade and how the Stone Shamans can retrieve the blade if Szeth dies. Not really. The way it worked with the highprince was that he summoned it, then handed it off to his soldier. The soldier did not bond with it and did not gain the ability to summon it/desummon it. Szeth's masters remain a mystery! Also, at risk of being a jerkface, holy crap, some of the dialogue in WoR is almost witty. Sanderson is really improving at writing. He's always sort of sucked at prose, characters, and dialogue (and his 'witty' characters always induce some cringes here and there), but he's really improved since Elantris, and there's even a difference between WoR and TWoK. One day I hope he reaches Pat Rothfuss' levels. I can't wait to read his books in ten years. And I can't wait to read his books now. Ugh, if only there was a fast forward button on life. Edited January 22, 2014 by Moogle 3
Guest AmruthS Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Just a thought, while reading Chapter 6, Shallan is taking down notes on her spren, Pattern, who isn't get affected. Is it because of Nahel bond shared between them??? Since Nahel bond is symbiotic in nature... In tWoK the spren got locked in particular size, shape when measured by the ardents.
Aether he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 He does not take specific measurements, though. It is still possible that Nahel Sprens wouldn't be locked in any particular Quantum State by measuring them, but I do not think Shallan's notes would qualify as that anyway.
ccstat he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Also, (if I'm correct) Dalinar's elder son being provisionally engaged to the little sister of the guy who tried to kill Amaram should be another interesting topic. Oooh, didn't quite catch that dynamic. The engagement really does make an immediate difference. It's nice to know that Rysn, Ym, and Eshonai are all in the first interlude set. I was also surprised to see that there is apparently a second Eshonai interlude in that same set. I hope that's true at least here, and possibly for other interlude sets as well. Did anyone else try to scroll down on that Chapter layout twitter picture? LOL Yes, yes I did.
Bloodfalcon he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Not really. The way it worked with the highprince was that he summoned it, then handed it off to his soldier. The soldier did not bond with it and did not gain the ability to summon it/desummon it. Szeth's master's remain a mystery! Also, at risk of being a jerkface, holy crap, some of the dialogue in WoR is almost witty. Sanderson is really improving at writing. He's always sort of sucked at prose, characters, and dialogue (and his 'witty' characters always induce some cringes here and there), but he's really improved since Elantris, and there's even a difference between WoR and TWoK. One day I hope he reaches Pat Rothfuss' levels. I can't wait to read his books in ten years. And I can't wait to read his books now. Ugh, if only there was a fast forward button on life. Thank you for noting the difference between Szeth's situation and loaning. I was considering making almost a PSA post about how it is most definitely different, but I won't now. Also, I agree on all accounts of that jerkface paragraph. I also cringed at the Shallan "wittiness" in the first few WoK chapters. Rothfuss is very good at this; it felt to me like I was reading an extended, free verse poem for the Name of the Wind. I should note for fairness' sake that I consider Brandon the better writer still due to his pacing, suspense, and planning. 3
Aether he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 EDIT: Did anyone else try to scroll down on that Chapter layout twitter picture? LOL What twitter picture?
Moogle Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I should note for fairness' sake that I consider Brandon the better writer still due to his pacing, suspense, and planning. I agree partially with this. Brandon's biggest strength is definitely his ability to set up a plot. The Sanderson Avalanche (or whatever it's called) at the end of each of his books where everything comes together in a beautiful climax is just wonderful. TWoK's last hundred pages were probably the best of any book I've read just for sheer gut punches and revelations left and right. I'm not sure I can reliably say that Brandon is better than Rothfuss, they're just really different writers. Major points in Brandon's favor for being able to put out a book every year, though. I don't browse Rothfuss forums.
FollowYourMuse she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Thank you for noting the difference between Szeth's situation and loaning. I was considering making almost a PSA post about how it is most definitely different, but I won't now. Not really. The way it worked with the highprince was that he summoned it, then handed it off to his soldier. The soldier did not bond with it and did not gain the ability to summon it/desummon it. Szeth's masters remain a mystery! Thank you for the reminder... It has been a while since I read TWoK (waiting until the week before WoR is released) and I was not thinking through the differences, only that there were ways that the Blade could be recalled.
Jaconis Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I agree partially with this. Brandon's biggest strength is definitely his ability to set up a plot. The Sanderson Avalanche (or whatever it's called) at the end of each of his books where everything comes together in a beautiful climax is just wonderful. TWoK's last hundred pages were probably the best of any book I've read just for sheer gut punches and revelations left and right. I'm not sure I can reliably say that Brandon is better than Rothfuss, they're just really different writers. Major points in Brandon's favor for being able to put out a book every year, though. I don't browse Rothfuss forums. I agree that I don't think I would consider either better than the other. They are my two favorite authors, and both have different strengths. You hit the nail on the head; Rothfuss' prose are unmatched, but the plot, not to say that it's bad by any means, can be a little meandering and the to this point is a little bit typical fantasy (orphan boy grows to be powerful magician and fights the bad guys he finds). I think the third book promises to break from that, but we may never know. Sanderson's plots, they always seem to resonate with me. There are so many scenes that I literally get chills reading, and none of the books do this more for me than WoK. I'm not ashamed to admit that there are times, even after half a dozen rereads/relistens, I almost want to weep for the...goodness...for a lack of a better word, of the characters. 3
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