Mason Wheeler Posted June 30, 2016 Report Share Posted June 30, 2016 In The Way of Kings, in one of the Shallan POV chapters, we're told that it's impossible to use Soulcasters to transmute something into any of the ten types of magically-active gemstones. Also, in one of the interludes, we see a trader trading material that's been Soulcast into metal to the Shin. And in Words of Radiance, in one of the Shallan flashbacks, we (appear to) see Hoid using Soothing on Shallan's father, on Roshar. This makes me wonder: is it possible to use Soulcasters to create allomantic metals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa he/him Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Shallan trades her necklace for her brother, and it's described as 'aluminium, must be soulcast'. So, you can create not only allomantic metalls, but even aluminum, which is strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainRyan he/him Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 14 minutes ago, Alfa said: Shallan trades her necklace for her brother, and it's described as 'aluminium, must be soulcast'. So, you can create not only allomantic metalls, but even aluminum, which is strange. [emphasis added] I am a bit confused by your wording - Aluminium is an Allomantic metal. 52 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said: In The Way of Kings, in one of the Shallan POV chapters, we're told that it's impossible to use Soulcasters to transmute something into any of the ten types of magically-active gemstones. Also, in one of the interludes, we see a trader trading material that's been Soulcast into metal to the Shin. And in Words of Radiance, in one of the Shallan flashbacks, we (appear to) see Hoid using Soothing on Shallan's father, on Roshar. This makes me wonder: is it possible to use Soulcasters to create allomantic metals? Yes, it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) 4 hours ago, CaptainRyan said: [emphasis added] I am a bit confused by your wording - Aluminium is an Allomantic metal. Yes, it is possible. It's noteworthy because aluminum is typically a counteracting agent to forms of Investiture, yet Investiture (through Soulcasting) can create it in spite of that property. Edited July 1, 2016 by dvoraen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa he/him Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 4 hours ago, dvoraen said: It's noteworthy because aluminum is typically a counteracting agent to forms of Investiture, yet Investiture (through Soulcasting) can create it in spite of that property. Meant that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 14 hours ago, CaptainRyan said: Yes, it is possible. Which is why Hoid has probably already stolen a Soulcaster (or maybe one of the two unaccounted for Honorblades) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrolGenhald Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 38 minutes ago, hwiles said: Which is why Hoid has probably already stolen a Soulcaster (or maybe one of the two unaccounted for Honorblades) They are all accounted for except for Taln's, which Brandon has said Hoid did not take. I believe there is also a WoB that says Hoid does not have an Honorblade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 3 minutes ago, AndrolGenhald said: They are all accounted for except for Taln's, which Brandon has said Hoid did not take. I believe there is also a WoB that says Hoid does not have an Honorblade. I believe the WoB is that the sword Hoid is seen carrying around in WoK is not an Honorblade. Also, I believe it was confirmed that Shinovar only has 7 of the blades. Even if that doesn't include Szeth's that still leaves one blade totally unaccounted for, not including Taln's. From what we've seen, Hoid does like to steal new powers from the worlds he visits, it really wouldn't shock me if he ended up keeping one of the Honorblades permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrolGenhald Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, hwiles said: I believe the WoB is that the sword Hoid is seen carrying around in WoK is not an Honorblade. Also, I believe it was confirmed that Shinovar only has 7 of the blades. Even if that doesn't include Szeth's that still leaves one blade totally unaccounted for, not including Taln's. From what we've seen, Hoid does like to steal new powers from the worlds he visits, it really wouldn't shock me if he ended up keeping one of the Honorblades permanently. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/54541-where-are-the-honorblades/#comment-443413 There is good evidence to believe that Nale has his, Kaladin has Jezrien's, the Shin have 7 others, and someone (but not Hoid) has Taln's. Edited July 1, 2016 by AndrolGenhald Embedded post didn't work, changed to link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrolGenhald Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 Found a relevant WoB: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1115#33 So Hoid didn't take Taln's, and the others are accounted for. The only way he could have an honorblade is if he took one of the Shin's and we don't know about it yet, or if he took the one a Herald recovered, but it seems more likely to me that Nale was the one who recovered his blade and he is actively using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hwiles Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 On 7/1/2016 at 1:11 PM, AndrolGenhald said: Found a relevant WoB: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1115#33 So Hoid didn't take Taln's, and the others are accounted for. The only way he could have an honorblade is if he took one of the Shin's and we don't know about it yet, or if he took the one a Herald recovered, but it seems more likely to me that Nale was the one who recovered his blade and he is actively using it. Touche. I guess he'll just have to be fantastically overpowered without one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 (edited) On 1/07/2016 at 0:10 PM, Alfa said: Shallan trades her necklace for her brother, and it's described as 'aluminium, must be soulcast'. So, you can create not only allomantic metalls, but even aluminum, which is strange. I'd consider it strange if you could soulcast aluminium into anything else, making other things into aluminium seems quite reasonable. Its resistance to investiture shouldn't kick in until the soulcasting is actually complete. Edited July 2, 2016 by Ari 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald101 he/him Posted July 2, 2016 Report Share Posted July 2, 2016 On 6/30/2016 at 6:25 PM, CaptainRyan said: Yes, it is possible. Don't mind me, just tagging a quote onto the (one-hundred percent correct) claim made here. Source Quote THECHRONICFERUCHEMIST If I were to Soulcast pewter, the way Shallan does with the blood in The Way of Kings, would an Allomancer be able to use it? BRANDON SANDERSON You could create Allomantically viable metals, yes. THECHRONICFERUCHEMIST But is it automatic? BRANDON SANDERSON I would say that the pure metals are, but the alloys are not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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