Delightful Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 I can totally imagine iron man getting his old suits soulcast to show them off....caps suit from the museum would have been soulcast too... Okay what about a fight between iron man and a full Mistborn, say Vin or Kelsier. Maybe particularly Kelsier because he was an expert in pushing/pulling metal.
Important_wavy_thing she/her Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 With Kelsier it would be interesting perhaps, but you have to take into mind that Kel could probably only use Tony as an anchor, while Wax could actually push him once he increased his weight. If Kelsier had full metals, (including bendalloy, cadmium, and atium,) then It would most certainly be a fair fight.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 7 hours ago, FeatherWriter said: Quick moderator note: This topic is in the Cosmere Theories board, and spoiler tags are not required here. Members can use them if they wish, but perusing topics in this board is done at one's own risk. Oh, ok, I didn't know that
Delightful Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Important_wavy_thing said: With Kelsier it would be interesting perhaps, but you have to take into mind that Kel could probably only use Tony as an anchor, while Wax could actually push him once he increased his weight. If Kelsier had full metals, (including bendalloy, cadmium, and atium,) then It would most certainly be a fair fight. Kelsier could pull on metal behind him as an anchor and use the extra force to shove Tony, no? Or push behind him? Forgot how that works. Or at least push/pull like a hand or a boot and knock him off-balance. Imagine hulk!allomancer. He would have so much force to push everything around
Pathfinder Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Lol there is literally a whole thread already on Vin vs Iron Man in the mistborn thread. It goes pretty in depth regarding both their abilities, and assumes giving Vin all the metals. Then there is also giving Iron Man an aluminum suit, but also limiting some of his weapons due to its composition while giving Vin a few select finite medallions (health, and heat) to even the playing field vs the aluminum suit. Conversely I think it would be interesting to see a full windrunner vs iron man.
TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Lol there is literally a whole thread already on Vin vs Iron Man in the mistborn thread. It goes pretty in depth regarding both their abilities, and assumes giving Vin all the metals. Then there is also giving Iron Man an aluminum suit, but also limiting some of his weapons due to its composition while giving Vin a few select finite medallions (health, and heat) to even the playing field vs the aluminum suit. Conversely I think it would be interesting to see a full windrunner vs iron man. If the Iron Man vs Windrunner fight took place on Roshar they would both have Spren. The only really unknown would be the AI spren. would it form a Nahel bond with Iron Man and if so what kind of extra powers would he get from it. For the fight I am assuming that Iron Mans armor would be equivalent to Shardplate. A full windrunner should also have his own set of Plate as well. It would definatly be a long tough fight. 1
Pathfinder Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 1 hour ago, TwelfthOfSnackTime said: If the Iron Man vs Windrunner fight took place on Roshar they would both have Spren. The only really unknown would be the AI spren. would it form a Nahel bond with Iron Man and if so what kind of extra powers would he get from it. For the fight I am assuming that Iron Mans armor would be equivalent to Shardplate. A full windrunner should also have his own set of Plate as well. It would definatly be a long tough fight. Not sure if the AI would count as a spren, but I am with you on counting Iron Man's armor as invested for purposes of evening out the fight. The combat would really put to the test the durability of a radiant driven shardplate with the missiles flying. I wonder if the shardplate would absorb the repulsor blasts like it did the stormforms lightning attacks? Having the spren change into a shield anytime missiles are shot would help, but I think Iron Man might be able to keep ahead speed wise. The windrunner might come out ahead due to healing, strength, and speed increases from stormlight, though unless they find themselves in a highstorm, there is always the issue of it running out mid combat. It would in my opinion be very close. 1
TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 4 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Not sure if the AI would count as a spren, but I am with you on counting Iron Man's armor as invested for purposes of evening out the fight. The combat would really put to the test the durability of a radiant driven shardplate with the missiles flying. I wonder if the shardplate would absorb the repulsor blasts like it did the stormforms lightning attacks? Having the spren change into a shield anytime missiles are shot would help, but I think Iron Man might be able to keep ahead speed wise. The windrunner might come out ahead due to healing, strength, and speed increases from stormlight, though unless they find themselves in a highstorm, there is always the issue of it running out mid combat. It would in my opinion be very close. The very definition of an AI is basically a Cognitive entity. I figured the crossover would invest the AI the same as the Armor itself but that's just my theory. It would throw an interesting monkey wrench into the mix though.
Pathfinder Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TwelfthOfSnackTime said: The very definition of an AI is basically a Cognitive entity. I figured the crossover would invest the AI the same as the Armor itself but that's just my theory. It would throw an interesting monkey wrench into the mix though. True true. Makes me want to see a Seon with an Elantrian on Roshar, to see what kind of powers that bond would result in. Hopefully Grump brought a hidden glowing friend with him to Roshar.....lol Edited June 23, 2016 by Pathfinder
feldi Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 On 6/22/2016 at 11:55 PM, Darkness Ascendant said: Please.The spoiler tags are there for a reason. (The eye icon). I haven't read Bands yet sorry I'm a bit new and still learning how to use everything exactly
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted June 24, 2016 Posted June 24, 2016 22 minutes ago, feldi said: sorry I'm a bit new and still learning how to use everything exactly Oh it's ok now, I've gotten over it
Important_wavy_thing she/her Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 On 6/23/2016 at 9:26 PM, Delightful said: Kelsier could pull on metal behind him as an anchor and use the extra force to shove Tony, no? Or push behind him? Forgot how that works. Or at least push/pull like a hand or a boot and knock him off-balance. Imagine hulk!allomancer. He would have so much force to push everything around Yes, oh my god.
BrightVoid he/him Posted June 26, 2016 Author Posted June 26, 2016 I would love to see a fight between Raoden and Scarlett Witch
asterion137 he/him Posted June 26, 2016 Posted June 26, 2016 Could a Shardblade kill a marvel powerhouse? (Odin, Dormammu, Mephisto, Galactus, etc.) If not could Nightblood do it?
Halinn Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 4 hours ago, asterion137 said: Could a Shardblade kill a marvel powerhouse? (Odin, Dormammu, Mephisto, Galactus, etc.) If not could Nightblood do it? That's respectively no and maybe. Cosmic level Marvel characters would definitely count as heavily enough invested to survive shardblades.
feldi Posted June 27, 2016 Posted June 27, 2016 19 hours ago, BrightVoid said: I would love to see a fight between Raoden and Scarlett Witch I already said something like that so: in the book Raoden correctly can teleport (if it's close distant than it shouldn't take long to draw), throw fire, throw energy, create illusions on himself and somewhat heal. Scarlet Witch can (according to Wikipedia)with a specific hand gesture crate Hexbobbles in which she can manipulate realty: make thing burst in flames, stop thing from moving, create force field etc. (let assume both of them don't have the time to channel any really powerful spell without the other one taking them down in the process) who will win??? (feel free to add powers of both that I might have forgotten)
asterion137 he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 9 hours ago, feldi said: I already said something like that so: in the book Raoden correctly can teleport (if it's close distant than it shouldn't take long to draw), throw fire, throw energy, create illusions on himself and somewhat heal. Scarlet Witch can (according to Wikipedia)with a specific hand gesture crate Hexbobbles in which she can manipulate realty: make thing burst in flames, stop thing from moving, create force field etc. (let assume both of them don't have the time to channel any really powerful spell without the other one taking them down in the process) who will win??? (feel free to add powers of both that I might have forgotten) movie scarlet witch loses badly if he has elantris's full power. Comic scarlet witch blinks him out of existence
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 On 27/06/2016 at 11:04 AM, Halinn said: That's respectively no and maybe. Cosmic level Marvel characters would definitely count as heavily enough invested to survive shardblades. A couple of them could be seen as Investiture powerhouses, One Above All etc etc 9 hours ago, feldi said: I already said something like that so: in the book Raoden correctly can teleport (if it's close distant than it shouldn't take long to draw), throw fire, throw energy, create illusions on himself and somewhat heal. Scarlet Witch can (according to Wikipedia)with a specific hand gesture crate Hexbobbles in which she can manipulate realty: make thing burst in flames, stop thing from moving, create force field etc. (let assume both of them don't have the time to channel any really powerful spell without the other one taking them down in the process) who will win??? (feel free to add powers of both that I might have forgotten) Sort of like Firefight in some ways, instead of manipulating reality, manipulating the realities and drawing on them
Jondesu he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 34 minutes ago, Darkness Ascendant said: Sort of like Firefight in some ways, instead of manipulating reality, manipulating the realities and drawing on them I would think that would be Dr Strange, from what I know of him. I'm not exceptionally familiar with his powers, but I would bet some part of it inspired Brandon in creating Megan/Firefight's powers. Scarlet Witch does in fact sound very similar to AonDor to me. jW
feldi Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 11 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said: Sort of like Firefight in some ways, instead of manipulating reality, manipulating the realities and drawing on them that means she will obliterate Raoden or that it's a fair match??? or you were just saying???
Magestar he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 16 hours ago, asterion137 said: Comic Scarlet Witch blinks him out of existence. Yup. Lots of Comic characters are really OP. Some power set lists on Wiki are almost a page long.
Halinn Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 16 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said: A couple of them could be seen as Investiture powerhouses, One Above All etc etc The One-Above-All is an entity more powerful than Adonalsium. Remember that the Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy, where OAA is omnipotent in multiple universes. The Silver Surfer would probably be a good match for something like the Stormfather. Above him is someone like Thanos, who a shard would be hard-pressed to stop if he wanted to destroy their world. Above that is the cosmic level, where I'd place Adonalsium. This is where Odin, Dormammu, cosmic cubes and that kind of thing are (Odin on the low end, cosmic cubes on the high). The thing is, Marvel has like 4 levels above that. Representatives from those in ascending order would be Galactus, Eternity, the Infinity Gauntlet, and the One-Above-All
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Halinn said: The One-Above-All is an entity more powerful than Adonalsium. Remember that the Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy, where OAA is omnipotent in multiple universes. The Silver Surfer would probably be a good match for something like the Stormfather. Above him is someone like Thanos, who a shard would be hard-pressed to stop if he wanted to destroy their world. Above that is the cosmic level, where I'd place Adonalsium. This is where Odin, Dormammu, cosmic cubes and that kind of thing are (Odin on the low end, cosmic cubes on the high). The thing is, Marvel has like 4 levels above that. Representatives from those in ascending order would be Galactus, Eternity, the Infinity Gauntlet, and the One-Above-All How about Living Tribunal...or would he be too OP as well? Also, we don't entirely know just how powerful Adonalsium is as a whole, we see the cosmere as a dwarf galaxy, but perhaps Adonalium's sphere of influence reaches beyond it? And I just thought about this.....Infinity Well-Well of Ascention Edited June 28, 2016 by Darkness Ascendant
asterion137 he/him Posted June 28, 2016 Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Halinn said: The One-Above-All is an entity more powerful than Adonalsium. Remember that the Cosmere is a dwarf galaxy, where OAA is omnipotent in multiple universes. The Silver Surfer would probably be a good match for something like the Stormfather. Above him is someone like Thanos, who a shard would be hard-pressed to stop if he wanted to destroy their world. Above that is the cosmic level, where I'd place Adonalsium. This is where Odin, Dormammu, cosmic cubes and that kind of thing are (Odin on the low end, cosmic cubes on the high). The thing is, Marvel has like 4 levels above that. Representatives from those in ascending order would be Galactus, Eternity, the Infinity Gauntlet, and the One-Above-All I probably got a few things wrong, but this is how i see it: one-above all random near-omnipotent entities (living tribunal, akhenaten, cyttorak, molecule man etc.) High Cosmic entities (Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion,IG Thanos) Abstracts (Franklin richards, mikaboshi, Phoenix Force, Fully Fed Galactus)- Universal Threats High Skyfather (Adonalsium, Rune King Thor, Glory, High Celestials, Cosmic Cube)- Galaxy creator/destroyer Skyfather (Odin, Zeus, Mephisto, Dormammu, Surtur, badly fed galactus, Normal Celestial, Harmony??)-solar system+ Herald (Thor, Silver Surfer, Fallen One, Beta Ray Bill, Sentry, other planet-busters)-Normal shards are on the high end of this High Tier(I know, amazing name): (Ronan the Accuser, Red Hulk, Extremis Iron Man, Lord Ruler, Mistmetal Vin)-City breaker Mid Tier (Heralds, Marsh, Storm, Raoden, Iceman, Thing, Vision, Professor X, Juggernaut) Low Tier (Kaladin, Normal Vin, Iron Fist, Thing, Iron Man, Namor, Dakhor Monk, Black Panther, Captain America, Vasher) Edited June 28, 2016 by asterion137 moved infinity gauntlet up 4
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