Sanderson Vs Marvel

[asterion137 he/him]

1 minute ago, Kevino36 said:

Well, lightsabers are supposed to have some Force-crystal thing (don't ask me, ask my friend. He's the Star Wars nerd, and I'm the Cosmere nerd) to direct the energy that makes up the blade of the lightsaber, so I think it's fair to assume that there's some Investiture affecting the lightsaber. Cap's shield, however, is just really overpowered metal.

An inexplicable space-metal that can take hits from beings of shard-like power

[feldi]

But if you go according to CaptainRyan line than you count the super ability of the object that means that Shield ability to stop every hit still counts and he will be able to block a shardblade at least like a shardplate. 

By the way, shardblades and shardplates are not made from the same material right? because you can break a shardplate but not a shardblade

[CaptainRyan he/him]

4 hours ago, feldi said:

But if you go according to CaptainRyan line than you count the super ability of the object that means that Shield ability to stop every hit still counts and he will be able to block a shardblade at least like a shardplate. 

By the way, shardblades and shardplates are not made from the same material right? because you can break a shardplate but not a shardblade

@feldi That is a great way of phrasing it! When non-Cosmere stuff is brought in to the Cosmere it requires considering not just the material but what special abilities the item had in its universe and then trying to match those special abilities to known Cosmere powers. 

I would probably guess that Cap's shield would count as heavily invest and would repel shardblades and it would also be much harder to push/pull on using Allomancy.

As always, in a hypothetical scenario such as this there are many interpretations. I would not even argue that Brandon's interpretation is "more right" because, hey, this is all make-believe eh? If someone wants to believe a shardblade would straight cut the Cap's shield then who am I to disagree?

[Edgedancer he/him]

19 hours ago, CaptainRyan said:

E.g. a lightsaber is a weapon that cuts through anything.

Do they? I'm pretty sure that stuff that's just really though like Mandalorian iron can withstand them.

[CaptainRyan he/him]

1 minute ago, Edgedancer said:

Do they? I'm pretty sure that stuff that's just really though like Mandalorian iron can withstand them.

Yeah, you are absolutely right. There are definitely a few rare substances that resist lightsaber strikes but, in general, they cut through pretty much anything.

I would say it is similar to shardblades; they technically don't cut through everything. Other shardblades, shardplate, half-shard shields, heavily invested objects etc. but, in general, they cut through pretty much anything.

[Ecthelion III he/him]

Cortosis is lightsaber-proof apparently due to its "conductive properties", according to Wookieepedia.

(Although I doubt that's 100% reputable because later in the article it says it's resistant to blaster fire due to its "energy resistant properties".)

 

[Magestar he/him]

Not sure how canon this is, but I was pretty sure Vibroblades could also block lightsabers, due to the fact that the sonic wave they produced knocked the lightsaber back, instead of destroying the actual material.  I also remember some Vibroblades having a cortosis 'weave', though.  So it might still just be cortosis.

Also, lightsabers were powerd by 'force crystals' at some point, and the force would be pretty powerful investiture in-cosmere.  However, what with all the retconns, I am not sure how viable this is.

On the subject of Cap's sheild, it's cognitive identity might just decide it is unbreakable.  Or it might absorb the cognitive vibrations(?) of a shardblade, rendering it inert.

 

edit; from what wookiepedia says, it was just the cortosis in the vibroblades that blocked lightsabers.

Edited June 15, 2016 by Magestar

[feldi]

Oooook, back to qutions then

can Harmony fight off Tanos with the Gauntlet of Realty?

since we had SW questions I guess you wont mind: Can a Lightweaver fight Doctor Light and any other light/hard light users?

[TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him]

10 minutes ago, feldi said:

Oooook, back to qutions then

can Harmony fight off Tanos with the Gauntlet of Realty?

since we had SW questions I guess you wont mind: Can a Lightweaver fight Doctor Light and any other light/hard light users?

 

As far as the Lightweavers vs Lightwielders question. If the lighweavers were restricted to just using lightweaving they would loose big time. So far we have only seen Shallan use it for illusions. They might stand a better chance if they also use Soulcasting creatively and their Shardblades.

 

As for Harmony vs Thanos w/ Gaunlet. Does Thanos have all of the gems at the point of the battle? if so then Harmony is cooked. I would equate Thanos with full powered Gaunlet on par with Andolisium.

Edited June 16, 2016 by TwelfthOfSnackTime
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[feldi]

I'm more of a DC than Marvel but I dont think the Gauntlet is that strong, but if it is than I guess you're right.

about lightweaving don't forget that it's called in the Ars Arcenum "light sound and and other wave forms", than it might count (at list in the comics universe)  as light and sound manipulation and I personally think that lightweaving doesn't have to be in the visible spectrum and soundweaving can be a very very very loud noise. generally I don't think Lightweaving is only Illusions

[Citadel16 he/him]

for the iron man v wax fight, iron man would win. tony stark is smarter and has a smarter ai. and then there is the fact that not all of his suits are made of metal. his magneto suit has no metal, and whats to say he cant plate it with aluminum?

[feldi]

ye, it's kind of really well established that wax vs tony is not a fair fight. aside from aluminium/metal less suits he can also shoot plasma/energy bolt that wax can't push and probably he can fly so high that he will just snipe wax out of orbit with wax being completely useless. maybe we should include environment when we suggest battles?

45 minutes ago, TwelfthOfSnackTime said:

As for Harmony vs Thanos w/ Gaunlet. Does Thanos have all of the gems at the point of the battle? if so then Harmony is cooked. I would equate Thanos with full powered Gaunlet on par with Andolisium.

I checked out about the Gauntlet and Infinity Stones and you're 100% right. they give you complete control over time space matter life and what not in the entire universe and since Harmony barely have that kind of power in his own planet I guess you're right, but I don't think even Adonalisium is that powerful, how thy even beat Thanos with that power???????

Edited June 16, 2016 by FeatherWriter
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[Yata he/him]

25 minutes ago, feldi said:

I checked out about the Gauntlet and Infinity Stones and you're 100% right. they give you complete control over time space matter life and what not in the entire universe and since Harmony barely have that kind of power in his own planet I guess you're right, but I don't think even Adonalisium is that powerful, how thy even beat Thanos with that power???????

In the Gauntlet's first story arc... with a dumb reason, He de-powered himself for enjoy the battles better (removing every preconition or extra sense)... and an ally of his, simply walk behind him and took off the Gauntlet from Thanos' hand.

[TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him]

1 hour ago, feldi said:

I'm more of a DC than Marvel but I dont think the Gauntlet is that strong, but if it is than I guess you're right.

about lightweaving don't forget that it's called in the Ars Arcenum "light sound and and other wave forms", than it might count (at list in the comics universe)  as light and sound manipulation and I personally think that lightweaving doesn't have to be in the visible spectrum and soundweaving can be a very very very loud noise. generally I don't think Lightweaving is only Illusions

 

 

Me neither. I believe that there are many cool things that Shallan could eventually do, after all lasers are light too.. But her current level is only illusions that can speak.

[feldi]

Then I meant a full Lightweaver againts Doctor Light

[asterion137 he/him]

What would happen if Galactus arrived in the Cosmere and started eating planets?

[Yata he/him]

33 minutes ago, asterion137 said:

What would happen if Galactus arrived in the Cosmere and started eating planets?

Harmony would trick in "unmaking" Scadrial just before Galactus may eat it (yeah God's joke) and maybe re-create the whole planet after 

 

Really I think a Shard may be equals than Marvel's Cosmic Entity therefore a planet with at least a Shard may be off-limit to Galactus. But probably Odium will try to kill Galactus for his own supremacy plan

[TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him]

Galactus is the Shard of Voracity.

[Magestar he/him]

Could Galactus eat Shards? Or can he not eat things on the cognitive plane?

[asterion137 he/him]

He probably wouldn't be able to eat shards. He sustains himself by eating biospheres. However, he can interact with abstract beings by adopting a cosmic form according to http://marvel.com/universe/Galactus.

[asterion137 he/him]

1 hour ago, Yata said:

Harmony would trick in "unmaking" Scadrial just before Galactus may eat it (yeah God's joke) and maybe re-create the whole planet after 

 

Really I think a Shard may be equals than Marvel's Cosmic Entity therefore a planet with at least a Shard may be off-limit to Galactus. But probably Odium will try to kill Galactus for his own supremacy plan

I'm not sure Odium could kill a fully fed galactus. Even his heralds who are imbued with a tiny amount of his power can shatter planets. Odium might be able to kill a weakened or underfed galactus, although with the abundance of inhabitable planets in the cosmere, I can't see galactus going hungry

[Yata he/him]

2 minutes ago, asterion137 said:

I'm not sure Odium could kill a fully fed galactus. Even his heralds who are imbued with a tiny amount of his power can shatter planets. Odium might be able to kill a weakened or underfed galactus, although with the abundance of inhabitable planets in the cosmere, I can't see galactus going hungry

Yeah sure, but Rayse isn't an idiot... He will wait the right moment.

And about the powers... Galactus is really powerful but I think many people understimate what a Shard can do... remember that someone with a little fraction of Shard's power may move planets quite easy.

Edited June 16, 2016 by Yata

[Rasarr she/her]

6 minutes ago, Yata said:

And about the powers... Galactus is really powerful but I think many people understimate what a Shard can do... remember that someone with a little fraction of Shard's power may move planets quite easy.

Great, now I'm imagining a scene of Sazed escaping with Scadrial in his arms while Galactus runs after him with a fork and a knife...  

[Samaldin he/him]

19 minutes ago, Rasarr said:

Great, now I'm imagining a scene of Sazed escaping with Scadrial in his arms while Galactus runs after him with a fork and a knife...  

Someone needs to draw this!

[Dani she/her]

3 minutes ago, Samaldin said:

Someone needs to draw this!

Calling all Sanderfan artists! Where are you people when we need you?