Arcoss Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 (edited) This sentence(Wax) confuses me a little, either the Elendel based nation is also called Scadrial or this is a writing error as I doubt Wax knows much about other dimentions Edited April 17, 2016 by Arcoss
Eki Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 Wasn't it the woman who said that, rather than Wax? She's a worldhopper.
Arcoss Posted April 17, 2016 Author Posted April 17, 2016 Wasn't it the woman who said that, rather than Wax? She's a worldhopper. You're right, my mistake
king of nowhere Posted April 17, 2016 Posted April 17, 2016 basically, on scadrial they have better medical care compared to other planets. comes with being more technologicaly advanced. it means nothing more. 1
Your3rdShadow he/him Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 Not necessarily medical care. Could be the extra Preservation in everyone makes them slightly tougher than other humans. 1
ShardPug Posted April 18, 2016 Posted April 18, 2016 And the climate of the basin is perfect. Giving birth during Highstorm is definitely not good for infant mortality. 3
CaptainRyan he/him Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 Not necessarily medical care. Could be the extra Preservation in everyone makes them slightly tougher than other humans. I believe we have a WoB that Rosharans are more disease immune (on Roshar) than is generally normal due to the small bits of stormlight people have. I also think on Nalthis, with everyone having a Breath, there would an advantage over regular humans as we see that Drabs have a reduced resistance to disease. Therefore, I would imagine Khriss was remarking on the improved medical care as the Southern Scadrians do not have the Basin. IIRC, the Wax & Wayne books take place roughly at the point where Stormlight Archive book 5 ends - which means Scadrians have early 1900s medical technology versus Rosharans/Nalthians having... erm, 500s(?) medical tech and Sel-people (Selians? Selenese? Super Selians?!) possibly having progressed further technologically but I am honestly not sure where Sel is in the timeline.
Landis963 he/him Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) Therefore, I would imagine Khriss was remarking on the improved medical care as the Southern Scadrians do not have the Basin. IIRC, the Wax & Wayne books take place roughly at the point where Stormlight Archive book 5 ends - which means Scadrians have early 1900s medical technology versus Rosharans/Nalthians having... erm, 500s(?) medical tech and Sel-people (Selians? Selenese? Super Selians?!) possibly having progressed further technologically but I am honestly not sure where Sel is in the timeline. Selish. And Elantris is the first in the timeline. Emperor's Soul is within the same technological era as Elantris (by WoB) so by definition it would be second. Regardless, unless there are time skip shenanigans between Elantris and its sequels, those would be next. Edited April 29, 2016 by Landis963
Yata he/him Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) Selish. And Elantris is the first in the timeline. Emperor's Soul is within the same technological era as Elantris (by WoB) so by definition it would be second. Regardless, unless there are time skip shenanigans between Elantris and its sequels, those would be next. knowing the main characters of Elantris Sequel... it have to be placed not more of lifespan after Elantris or 2/3 of the Main characters woul be dead XD Edited April 29, 2016 by Yata
king of nowhere Posted April 29, 2016 Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) while investiture and shard surely have an effect on infant mortality rates, they can't be nowhere near as great as those of modern healtcare. i couldn't find a hard number on the internet, but before the industrial revolution, roughly one child in five died within the first year. now, in western europe, is more than 40 times lower. but the most important parts of it are two: 1) an adequate nutrition, 2) basic hygiene practices. so, for example, in roshar they know of basic hygiene thanks to rotspren, which would probably bump a bit their survival ratio. on the other hand, their whole "children food vs men food" dumbness may well be causing their kids to eat the wrong stuff. Anyway, in the elendel basin they have both decent healtcare, and enough food. also, harmony removed all genetic diseases 300 years prior, and while some will have reappeared, they're probably less widespread than they would be otherwise. Oh, and I think harmony would try to avoid the insurgence of any really big epidemics. Edited April 29, 2016 by king of nowhere 1
Nyali she/her Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 The other thing Scadrial has going for it over Roshar is that on Roshar, no matter how good the medical technology is due to germ theory being so obvious, very few people have access to it. Doctors are very rare in the lower class, which is why Kal's dad was particularly notable, and I highly doubt a Light-eyed doctor will serve Dark-eyed patients, especially not at rates a common laborer could afford. On Scadrial post-catascendre though, even if the Basin's technology is only industrial revolution era, common laborers have much more access to it than on Roshar. Much, much more. And there's far more education on Scadrial too. Roshar suffers from the "only women and church slaves can read or write" silliness, which makes getting the education you'd need to be a doctor pretty darn hard for half the population. On Scadrial, anyone could pick up a book and learn basic first aid from it. I'd say the innate investiture of Rosharans due to their planet's oversaturation with investiture is about equal to the benefit of Nalthians being given a Breath at birth (which specifically enhances the body's defenses against illness) and the benefit of Scadrialans being infused with the power of Preservation, a Shard whose Intent involves not dying. So, those things cancel each other out, leaving the availability and quality of medical care as the major deciding factor between them. I do think that the infant mortality on, say, Sel or Threnody would be higher than Roshar/Scadrial/Nalthis though if all other factors were exactly equal.
Eki Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Only Vorin lands have those restrictions on darkeyes and men. Scadrial probably still has a smaller knowledge gap, though.
Nyali she/her Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Only Vorin lands have those restrictions on darkeyes and men. Scadrial probably still has a smaller knowledge gap, though. Fair, but they do take up a good portion of the world, and I get the impression that Vorin medical technology is more advanced than elsewhere.
Eki Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Fair, but they do take up a good portion of the world, and I get the impression that Vorin medical technology is more advanced than elsewhere. Probably. Maybe Azir and the Shin can compare (though the Shin can use the Blades, so that's not fair). Kharbranth seems to be ahead by far, and it wouldn't surprise me if many ardents get sent there to learn.
Nyali she/her Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Probably. Maybe Azir and the Shin can compare (though the Shin can use the Blades, so that's not fair). Kharbranth seems to be ahead by far, and it wouldn't surprise me if many ardents get sent there to learn. Sure, but the Ardents are property of the lighteyes, and I can't see them really caring for the darkeyes too much. (WoK spoilers under the tag.) And yeah, Kharbranth has hospitals that serve anyone and they set them up all over the place, but we all know what really happens in those... Sure, they don't gain anything from infants so they wouldn't pick those, but they do from pregnant mothers and we know they've chosen at least a few of those since at least one of the epigraphs are from one. Edited May 19, 2016 by Nyali
CaptainRyan he/him Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 *snip* I'd say the innate investiture of Rosharans due to their planet's oversaturation with investiture is about equal to the benefit of Nalthians being given a Breath at birth (which specifically enhances the body's defenses against illness) and the benefit of Scadrialans being infused with the power of Preservation, a Shard whose Intent involves not dying. So, those things cancel each other out, leaving the availability and quality of medical care as the major deciding factor between them. I do think that the infant mortality on, say, Sel or Threnody would be higher than Roshar/Scadrial/Nalthis though if all other factors were exactly equal. [emphasis added by me] There is a WoB that makes it seem, to me, that Rosharan Investiture is extra good at keeping Rosharan's healthy. I do not think we can compare Nalthis - Roshar - Scadrial Investiture directly; each world will have varying amounts of Investiture and the effects of that Investiture can probably differ from world-to-world. WoB - http://stormfather.tumblr.com/post/108812172073 (towards the end of the post) Weiry asked: whether the plague on the purelake has anything to do with the fact that the magic fish form symbiotic bonds with spren? no worldhoppers brought a disease to Roshar that they didnt have before its the common cold. rosharans investiture makes it so they’re usually a healthy bunch so something like the cold is kind of frightening "its a plague of the sniffles” [emphasis mine]
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