NE Windrunner he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Ok so I just finished listening to WOK for the 4th time or so and I have two questions that someone more familiar with WoBs could maybe give me some insight on... 1. Is there any relationship between Tien and Syl within a different realm i.e. Spiritual or Cognitive? I noticed many similarities in the way they treat Kaladin as well as their temperaments in general. Also, and this probably means nothing, but Michael Kramer uses the EXACT same voice for both characters! I'm not sure if this has been discussed before but I'm wondering if the method that radiants are "broken" contributes to the behavior of their spren? 2. Who becomes high prince of Sadeas' princedom? Just a question I've been wondering since the book never mentions any direct heirs as far as I know. Is this a potential opening for Amaram? I could see a lot of potential conflict arising from this. Any insight from more knowledgeable sharders would be awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 1. As far as we know, no special connection besides the fact both complement Kaladin in similarly deep ways, which may have helped forming the bond. 2.We have no idea what will happen now. His wife could end up as a regent while things are settled, but Amaram does seen like a good candidate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I've wondered about #2 as well. I'm sure he had something prepared. Most likely scenario I think is the second highest ranking person takes the title of Highprince. But I wouldn't discount his widow. She's crafty. Or maybe there will be a big ol fight in the Sadeas camp/princedom, and the victor becomes Highprince. That actually sounds more true to the Alethi way. I don't think #1 is likely, but I guess it could happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE Windrunner he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I agree that Ialai has as good a chance as any, she has always seemed like a character that Brandon is waiting to take advantage of in later books as another, potentially MORE dangerous, antagonist. I see her relationship with Sadeas being like that of the Sith from Star Wars in that there is always a master and an apprentice but which one is she !?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 ad 2.I've not thought about that yet but without much pondering I'd delete Amaram from the list. He's practically outlawed which, I'd think, would prohibit him rising as highprince. I see that it's been "only" Dalinar who'd judged Amaram yet but I'm rather sure Elhokar will back Dalinar up. Given that the queen runs the day to day business of Alethkar for the king staying on the Shattered Plains I'd guess that Ialai is the most potent candidate. She might be forced to marry again but until that happens I could see her as an interims highprince. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) ad 2. I've not thought about that yet but without much pondering I'd delete Amaram from the list. He's practically outlawed which, I'd think, would prohibit him rising as highprince. I see that it's been "only" Dalinar who'd judged Amaram yet but I'm rather sure Elhokar will back Dalinar up. Yet... everybody knew how much of a backstabber Sadeas was. If honesty is the issue, Amaram is still fully above him, and now that Sadeas has been mysteriously murdered in the dark the pro-Kholin faction suddenly lost much of their moral high-ground. I wouldn't discount Amaram so quickly, even if only as the public face while Ialai runs things in the background. Edited February 11, 2016 by DreamEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegatorgirl00 she/her Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Clearly, Renarin will become engaged to Ialai in an attempt to control the princedom. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Clearly, Renarin will become engaged to Ialai in an attempt to control the princedom. Ew, no. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE Windrunner he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Here is a roundabout theory on how Renarin could take control of Sadeas' princedom... Step 1- Roshone marries Laral to keep control of her house and consolidate power in Hearthstone (we know this was basically happening anyway due to Kaladin's flashbacks.) Step 2- Roshone hears of Sadeas' death and knows that Ialai is single so he strings up Laral in a highstorm to "sacrifice" her to the Stormfather. This happens to be around the time Kal goes back to hearthstone (Oathbringer sample chapter) soooo without Roshone's knowledge Kal rescues Laral and takes her back to Urithiru. Step 3- Thinking Laral is dead, Roshone then courts and Marries Ialai quickly in order to consolidate power becoming the new highprince. Meanwhile, Renarin meets Laral in Urithiru and they fall in love. Step 4- Adolin goes bat rust crazy and feels that he needs to remove every vestige of Sadeas that exists in the Roshar so he assassinates Ialai and Roshone. Step 5- Ialai=no kids, Roshone= No living kids. The best claim to the princedom would then go to Laral since technically she is STILL MARRIED to Roshone! Laral inherits the princedom and marries Renarin making him.....HIGHPRINCE OF SADEAS' PRINCEDOM!!!!!! That would be the ultimate kick in the groin for Sadeas, hes in the spiritual realm all like In case you didn't know this was all in fun! Edited February 11, 2016 by NE Windrunner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE Windrunner he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Also, back on the main topic, we could always see a union between Amaram and Ialai (I don't think Amaram is married?). I feel like this is pretty realistic as it would be mutually beneficial to both parties. And they are both sneaky and a bit underhanded so I think they would get along smashingly...until they have one another assassinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa he/him Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 I am relatively sure that Amaram's wife is mentioned somewhere, but have no idea if it's in TWOK or WOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Clearly, Renarin will become engaged to Ialai in an attempt to control the princedom. Poor Renarin, always getting the short, non-flammable end of the stick. Reminds me of a fan-fic idea I had in which he accidentaly joins the Diagrammists and must prevent assassinations while convincing said assassins he is helping them. Edited February 11, 2016 by DreamEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal she/her Posted February 11, 2016 Report Share Posted February 11, 2016 Clearly, Renarin will become engaged to Ialai in an attempt to control the princedom. Love it Seriously, I too think Amaram is a likely candidate as I doubt many Highprinces would frown on his crimes providing Dalinar even goes forward in his accusation. He may think otherwise in order to protect Adolin. I also wonder how much power the king truly has on naming the next Highprince of a princedom. It seems more plausible the remaining lords would be the ones to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE Windrunner he/him Posted February 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I'd love to hear what Brandon would have to say about high prince succession (any WoBs?) I know that Elhokar's wife is running Kholinar (poorly) but she isn't a highprice and only has authority as a reagent so can brightladies rule princedoms? Is there any evidence of this that I'm missing? Ialai doesn't strike me as the type of person that would give up that kind of power unless forced into giving it up. But I still think Amaram is the most likely successor ( unless he is married as Alfa suggests, quote?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meg Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 I am relatively sure that Amaram's wife is mentioned somewhere, but have no idea if it's in TWOK or WOR The only part I remember with Amaram and possible marriage is from the Prologue of WoR when Jasnah muses that her father would like her to marry Amaram. That was six years back, I know. Probably I just missed the part with Amaram's wife? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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