Navy Seon he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 In book one when Vin pulls in the mist to beat lord ruler, how does she do it? Sazed said in book three that he doesn't yet know and that she should have only have been able to do it after she drew in the well. So how did she pull on it, especially since it wasn't a gift by Preservation? Theories 1) She wasn't able to merge with Preservation until after the well, but she was allowed to draw a limited amount in due to Preservation choosing her as his successor. 2) She was Connected to him enough at the time to just draw them in without his consent. (similar to the first one). 3) Ruin needed her to defeat lord ruler in order to be free. So maybe Ruin, or rust/trell or some other being who was able to manipulate the mist drew them in onto Vin in order so that Ruin could escape. This would make sense according to the comment that while Ruin couldn't destroy the mists, he could make them stronger. Any other theories or suggestions on this? I am very curious. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadFencer Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I think people can draw on the mist without drawing on the well first. The Well is just needed if the person is going to ascend. This is supported by waxilium possibly drawing on the most in alloy of law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Seon he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Thats what my first theory was but it still goes against what sazed says in book 3. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Sazed did theorize that Vin absorbed some of the mists in childhood when she wasn't wearing her earring. He speculated that it could had been reason for her talent for Allomancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uilos he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Without going in to details that may or may not be Secret History spoilers, it appeared that Preservation was preparing Vin to be the new HoA or even Shardbearer. Ruin intercepted it by influencing Vin's mother, and made the Bronze spike to introduce Ruin directly to her mind. Preservation made a lot of plans, the details of which even Leras isn't entirely sure. But what is clear is that Vin was chosen to be used from a very early age. Taking in the mist was something Preservation gave her, as well as her ridiculous allomantic strength and finesse. Ruin blocked it, trying to suborn her to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Theories 1) She wasn't able to merge with Preservation until after the well, but she was allowed to draw a limited amount in due to Preservation choosing her as his successor. 2) She was Connected to him enough at the time to just draw them in without his consent. (similar to the first one). 3) Ruin needed her to defeat lord ruler in order to be free. So maybe Ruin, or rust/trell or some other being who was able to manipulate the mist drew them in onto Vin in order so that Ruin could escape. This would make sense according to the comment that while Ruin couldn't destroy the mists, he could make them stronger. The right one probably is the first, she has something like a "special pass" to the mist, of course without the attuning through the Well she can't be compatible to the whole Shard-level of Investiture. The second is the only wrong at 100%, there is Allomancer more connected to Preservation than her (for example Elend) and they can't feed of the mist without consent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 The right one probably is the first, she has something like a "special pass" to the mist, of course without the attuning through the Well she can't be compatible to the whole Shard-level of Investiture. The second is the only wrong at 100%, there is Allomancer more connected to Preservation than her (for example Elend) and they can't feed of the mist without consent. More powerful as an allomancer doesn't necessarily mean more connected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) More powerful as an allomancer doesn't necessarily mean more connected. Actually yes, the only thing that the Lerasium does (the default outcome) is to rewrite your Spirit-Web to have a Stronger connection to Preservation (and this Strong connection make you a Lerasium-Mistborn). Because "probably" more you are connected to Preservation, more power you may obtain from him. Also Vin probably when she was outside (without the earring) has assimilate some Mist (Gassous Leraisum) that slowly raise his Allomantic Power (and Connection to Preservation). Edited February 7, 2016 by Yata Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Actually yes, the only thing that the Lerasium does (the default outcome) is to rewrite your Spirit-Web to have a Stronger connection to Preservation (and this Strong connection make you a Lerasium-Mistborn). Because "probably" more you are connected to Preservation, more power you may obtain from him. Also Vin probably when she was outside (without the earring) has assimilate some Mist (Gassous Leraisum) that slowly raise his Allomantic Power (and Connection to Preservation). Sort of. There's stuff I can't go into here because it's spoiler territory but connection is comprised of much more than simply what magic system you use. Also mist isn't really gaseous Lerasium, Lerasium refers specifically to the solid metal form. A very nitpicky point but an important one, the mists are the gaseous form of Preservations Investiture while Lerasium is the solid form but mists are not just gaseous Lerasium. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Sort of. There's stuff I can't go into here because it's spoiler territory but connection is comprised of much more than simply what magic system you use. Also mist isn't really gaseous Lerasium, Lerasium refers specifically to the solid metal form. A very nitpicky point but an important one, the mists are the gaseous form of Preservations Investiture while Lerasium is the solid form but mists are not just gaseous Lerasium. That's right, but I want to add that there is theoretically a way to distill lerasium from the mists. There is a WoB on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 If I am not wrong, there isn't any kind of non-metallic solid Investiture. And Mister Sanderson say that Vin's Ascension is quite "burn so many Lerasium to became the Shard itself" (it's a WoB about a Lerasium's Savant). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) I think the WoB you're referring to said that you'd become a sliver. I could be wrong though. EDIT: Never mind, found it. DOUGLAS What about a Lerasium savant? Or would that require so much Lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder? BRANDON SANDERSON Basically, this is what ascension is. Edited February 7, 2016 by Onceler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 That's right, but I want to add that there is theoretically a way to distill lerasium from the mists. There is a WoB on this. Oh we did get that one answered? I've been too slack on interviews lately. Well, disregard that second paragraph then If I am not wrong, there isn't any kind of non-metallic solid Investiture. And Mister Sanderson say that Vin's Ascension is quite "burn so many Lerasium to became the Shard itself" (it's a WoB about a Lerasium's Savant). Food if you're Lift Plus technically all of Scadrial, it was entirely created by Shards after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupis Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Oh we did get that one answered? I've been too slack on interviews lately. Well, disregard that second paragraph then Food if you're Lift Plus technically all of Scadrial, it was entirely created by Shards after all. Was it? I always thought it was an existing planet that was effectively terraformed by Preservation and Ruin and then they created life on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Seon he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I think there is more to it since it is brandon sanderson and sazed didnt know. But i guess we'll fin out when the mistborn seriess are finished. I hope. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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