The Ja Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 So we know that Hoid took the name after his master, the original Hoid, died. Now, from Khriss, we think that Adonalsium was likely a being, and that Hoid (or Cephandrius, at the time) was at the Shattering. I also think that Cephandrius had some sort of relationship with Adonalsium. What if the original Hoid was Adonalsium's vessel? It gives reason for Cephandrius to be at the Shattering without being directly involved in shattering it/him/her. It also has big implications into what he could be doing with his meddling with the shardworlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 All Secret History/Bands threads and posts can only be posted in their subforums for a period of two weeks. As such, I am moving this thread. On topic, Leras tells Kelsier that Hoid "rejected" the 16's plan. I find it unlikely they would have asked Adonalsium itself if he wanted to help Shatter itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Liar of Partinel chapters give a brief view of the original Hoid, I think. Did not look like an Adonalsium vessel to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoltCruelerz Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) ... On topic, Leras tells Kelsier that Hoid "rejected" the 16's plan. I find it unlikely they would have asked Adonalsium itself if he wanted to help Shatter itself. Not necessarily. Let's say the plan was for Adonalsium/Hoid to hand over his power because {he was tired of the responsibility/he kept accidentally hurting people as God/other reason} and in so doing let the 16 rule in his stead. They then did so, stripping him of his powers and locking him down so he couldn't hurt people any longer and then proceeded to be a really crummy pantheon, leading to him rejecting the original plan and trying to shatter them all or possibly unshatter himself. Edited January 31, 2016 by VoltCruelerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 Not necessarily. Let's say the plan was for Adonalsium/Hoid to hand over his power because {he was tired of the responsibility/he kept accidentally hurting people as God/other reason} and in so doing let the 16 rule in his stead. They then did so, stripping him of his powers and locking him down so he couldn't hurt people any longer and then proceeded to be a really crummy pantheon, leading to him rejecting the original plan and trying to shatter them all or possibly unshatter himself. The quote, for reference: “I see,” Fuzz said softly. “He dared that, did he? Dangerous, with Ruin straining against his bonds. But if anyone were going to try something so foolhardy, it would be Cephandrius.” “He stole something, I think,” Kelsier said. “From the other side of the room. A bit of metal.” “Aaah . . .” Fuzz said softly. “I had thought that when he rejected the rest of us, he would stop interfering. I should know better than to trust an implication from him. Half the time you can’t trust his outright promises. . . .” “Who is he?” Kelsier asked. “An old friend." I think it's a huge stretch to think that Hoid held Adonalsium based on this. For one, I doubt Adonalsium was any of the 16's "friend", and it seems highly unlikely that Adonalsium was practiced at half-truths to the extent that he'd previously promised things to Leras. And if he was Adonalsium and was Shattered by the 16, why would Leras think he would "stop interfering"? If someone stole my power, I'd want revenge. And he thinks of Hoid as "foolhardy" - how could Adonalsium do anything that Leras would think was that? Just, on the whole I find the theory that Adonalsium was held by Hoid to be really unlikely. I guess it's not impossible, but... even just reading the Liar sample chapters argues strongly against the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoltCruelerz Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Oh, I'm not trying to say it's the most likely by any stretch. Just that it's a possibility. To my eyes, it seems to weirdly fit a lot of things, but maybe that's just me. I also confess I haven't read the Liar sample chapters yet. Edited January 31, 2016 by VoltCruelerz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ja Posted February 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 To clarify, I am not saying that the Hoid we see in the published books is a vessel of Adonalsium. My thought is that the current Hoid's master, the ones who name Hoid says he stole, was in fact the vessel of Adonalsium. Hoid could have rejected the 16's plan in favor of helping his master. I say all of this without having read any of the Liar of Partinel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted February 8, 2016 Report Share Posted February 8, 2016 To clarify, I am not saying that the Hoid we see in the published books is a vessel of Adonalsium. My thought is that the current Hoid's master, the ones who name Hoid says he stole, was in fact the vessel of Adonalsium. Hoid could have rejected the 16's plan in favor of helping his master. I say all of this without having read any of the Liar of Partinel. Well Liar isn't really canon at this point, however I can't see Brandon completely scrapping all the ideas in it. From the first 6 chapters it appears that your idea wouldn't be keeping with what we know so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted February 26, 2016 Report Share Posted February 26, 2016 I am just freaking out over Cephandrius over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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