Oversleep Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 We know that it could be theoretically possible for worldhoppers to bond Radiantspren or such (though Returned, and as I suspect Elantrians may have it harder because of Rule of Investiture Interference).My question is if worldhoppers attract spren of any kind? Like hungerspren or angerspren and such. It may be that being offworlder is enough of Investiture Interference for lesser spren not to be attracted.Have we seen Hoid, Zahel, Iyatil or somebody from 17th Shard attract any spren? Cannot recall.
Pathfinder Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 We know that it could be theoretically possible for worldhoppers to bond Radiantspren or such (though Returned, and as I suspect Elantrians may have it harder because of Rule of Investiture Interference). My question is if worldhoppers attract spren of any kind? Like hungerspren or angerspren and such. It may be that being offworlder is enough of Investiture Interference for lesser spren not to be attracted. Have we seen Hoid, Zahel, Iyatil or somebody from 17th Shard attract any spren? Cannot recall. I could have sworn there was a words of brandon somewhere saying theoretically you could bond to a "lesser" spren like a wind spren. You wouldn't necessarily get the powers, but you could bond them and do something different.
Oversleep Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 I could have sworn there was a words of brandon somewhere saying theoretically you could bond to a "lesser" spren like a wind spren. You wouldn't necessarily get the powers, but you could bond them and do something different. That's not what I meant. Does worldhopper attract hungerspren when he's hungry? Does someone not from Roshar attract fearspren when he is scared? That sort of thing. I am almost certain that we haven't seen worldhoppers attract these spren, but I could be wrong. If my theory is true, it could be useful for identifying worldhoppers.
Pathfinder Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 (edited) That's not what I meant. Does worldhopper attract hungerspren when he's hungry? Does someone not from Roshar attract fearspren when he is scared? That sort of thing. I am almost certain that we haven't seen worldhoppers attract these spren, but I could be wrong. If my theory is true, it could be useful for identifying worldhoppers. Off the top of my head I believe you are correct. I do not recall seeing Hoid, Vasher, Galladon, Demoux, or Blunt attracting any type of spren either. I am trying to think if there were any other world hoppers mentioned in Stormlight that I may be missing. Edited January 11, 2016 by Pathfinder
Stormgate he/him Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 On the other hand, not every act of creativity results in creationspren. Shallan likely attracts large numbers at least in part due to her being a Radiant (or Surgebinder). Some spren are more common, and others aren't. It could be due to not being able to attract the spren due to their quality as a worldhopper and it could be due to not feeling enough emotion to attract the spren. And who on Roshar would ever want to bond something like a flamespren? You'd have to light yourself on fire or something to keep it from dying.
Oversleep Posted January 11, 2016 Author Posted January 11, 2016 On the other hand, not every act of creativity results in creationspren. Shallan likely attracts large numbers at least in part due to her being a Radiant (or Surgebinder). Some spren are more common, and others aren't. It could be due to not being able to attract the spren due to their quality as a worldhopper and it could be due to not feeling enough emotion to attract the spren. And who on Roshar would ever want to bond something like a flamespren? You'd have to light yourself on fire or something to keep it from dying. Yeah, even if we hadn't seen them attract any spren means little - maybe they haven't exhibited strong enough emotion. But if something is there, I want to keep an eye on this in future books. If truly worldhoppers doesn't attract emotionsprent, then lack of them could indicate a worldhopper. A lot of wiggle room, but worth considering.
Pathfinder Posted January 11, 2016 Posted January 11, 2016 The times Hoid lightwove for Kaladin I feel is creationy enough to attract creation spren. Unless he lightwove to hide them, but I do not know why he would do that. Also when Galladon, Blunt, and Demoux try to find Hoid they get pretty frustrated and I think even angry briefly. Yet no frustration or anger spren. Vasher/Zahel gets annoyed with Kal ALOT lol, but I do not recall him attracting any spren. I agree it still feels too loose to necessarily mean something, but it is a cool point I didn't notice before, and I kind of want to dive right back into the book just to check lol.
Khyrindor he/him Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) Might be something to ask Brandon. At the very least they can see spren. I suppose the reason spren happen at all is because the Physical Realm around Roshar is just very tied to the Cognitive. If this is true, the only reason I could think of is that they have different spiritual things from Rosharans and that's why they can't spren. The times Hoid lightwove for Kaladin I feel is creationy enough to attract creation spren. Unless he lightwove to hide them, but I do not know why he would do that. Also when Galladon, Blunt, and Demoux try to find Hoid they get pretty frustrated and I think even angry briefly. Yet no frustration or anger spren. Vasher/Zahel gets annoyed with Kal ALOT lol, but I do not recall him attracting any spren. I agree it still feels too loose to necessarily mean something, but it is a cool point I didn't notice before, and I kind of want to dive right back into the book just to check lol. Maybe not creationspren, but at least musicspren. There was probably no musicspren for miles around them anywhere else, so they would have been attracted. But, it's also possible that Kaladin just didn't notice them or point them out. We know that Zahel/Vasher can at least see spren, as he refers to Kaladin as "That bridgboy with the strange spren" in his interlude. Hoid also talks about them if I recall correctly. But I suppose there is a difference between seeing them and attracting them. Either that, or they just have enough life sense to see them compared to other worldhoppers. Edited January 12, 2016 by Khyrindor
Cruxer he/him Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 The times Hoid lightwove for Kaladin I feel is creationy enough to attract creation spren. Unless he lightwove to hide them, but I do not know why he would do that. Also when Galladon, Blunt, and Demoux try to find Hoid they get pretty frustrated and I think even angry briefly. Yet no frustration or anger spren. Vasher/Zahel gets annoyed with Kal ALOT lol, but I do not recall him attracting any spren. I agree it still feels too loose to necessarily mean something, but it is a cool point I didn't notice before, and I kind of want to dive right back into the book just to check lol. Technically, Hoid wasn't creating anything when he Lightwove. He was re-telling a story, so it makes sense that creationspren didn't manifest. Just like when he was on Nalthis, he told a story out of history. Hoid is a collector of sorts, aside from meddling, his pastime seems to be collecting stories.
Stormgate he/him Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 He also makes up stories on the spot (more or less) that teach lessons.
Pathfinder Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Technically, Hoid wasn't creating anything when he Lightwove. He was re-telling a story, so it makes sense that creationspren didn't manifest. Just like when he was on Nalthis, he told a story out of history. Hoid is a collector of sorts, aside from meddling, his pastime seems to be collecting stories. I think that is kind of splitting straws. Shallan is just re-illustrating people and things she sees with photographic realism, yet she attracts creation spren. I get what you are going for, but if that is true, then I am sure there would be "story" spren and they did not appear.
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