Patrick Star Posted December 11, 2015 Posted December 11, 2015 Here's the WoB that I mentioned earlier. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/23013-wobs-from-steel-ministry/
Datan Nomlibash Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The problem seems to be: SoS - SFO Signing Q. If Nightblood feeds on Breath, but Szeth doesn't have it, will it feed on Stormlight? A. Nightblood can feed off Stormlight, but Szeth can't draw in Stormlight right now. So he better not draw that sword, for a while at least. It looks for me more like a new way for Nalan to use Szeth to kill, not to honor him. At the moment - if Szeth draws Nightblood he will be the first to die, justified or not. Perhaps he can attract a "Justice-Spren", when he refuses to act on revange in Shin. Night Blood is pretty deadly even when it's in the scabbard. Also he could just "deliver" night blood to his victims.
Oversleep Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 As for Szeth catching a break - remember, if he asked for it, Nalan would have killed him. But Szeth chose to stay alive.The way I see it, you can always die, but not always you have chance to throw truth in the faces of those who made you a slave and banished you.I think the reason Nalan is targetting Shinovar is because he wants to reclaim the Honorblades and return them to Heralds, since Desolation comes upon the sky for Roshar and they have job to ......How, in the tenth name of Almighty, the almost-personification of law, Herald of Justice, could decide to broke the Oathpact?
Moogle Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 How, in the tenth name of Almighty, the almost-personification of law, Herald of Justice, could decide to broke the Oathpact? Some (including me) speculate that he went back for his Blade, so I don't know that he did in fact decide that he should in the end.
DreamEternal Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Nalan told Szeth the only beautiful thing inbthe world was a man who could always keep his word. I suspect behind his stoic mask he carries deep feelings of guilty and is trying to do what is right, in a twisted way.
Oversleep Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Some (including me) speculate that he went back for his Blade, so I don't know that he did in fact decide that he should in the end. Yeah, I also speculated that here. But if he really were to uphold his word, he should have sent himself back to Damnation. Probably taking as many Heralds with him as he could. So that's an argument towards Heralds being broken and their values reversed. But I understand that. Who wouldn't be broken after thousands years of torture with eternity more in perspective?
FormlessFox he/him Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Perhaps for some reason he feels Honor broke his word and he hates all surgebinders and heralds as a result. He might want to punish the heralds most of all and attacks their knights instead. Perhaps Nal has been convinced that only Odium keeps his word.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 But keeping his word is part of Honor's intent.
Moogle Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 But keeping his word is part of Honor's intent. Shards do not apply their Intents to themselves. Preservation is not about Preserving itself, nor is Ruin about ruining itself. Similarly, I don't believe Honor necessarily needs to be honorable. Given the original Shardholders were, paraphrased, not randomly chosen for their Shards, I expect Tanavast was the kind of guy to keep his word, but I don't think he was supernaturally compelled to.
Oversleep Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Perhaps for some reason he feels Honor broke his word and he hates all surgebinders and heralds as a result. He might want to punish the heralds most of all and attacks their knights instead. Perhaps Nal has been convinced that only Odium keeps his word. I think he is convinced that Surgebinders are one of the causes of Desolation. He says something like that to Lift. So he hunts Surgebinders down. ... Argh, when will we learn the details of the mechanism of Desolation?
DSC01 he/him Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Shards do not apply their Intents to themselves. Preservation is not about Preserving itself, nor is Ruin about ruining itself. Similarly, I don't believe Honor necessarily needs to be honorable. Given the original Shardholders were, paraphrased, not randomly chosen for their Shards, I expect Tanavast was the kind of guy to keep his word, but I don't think he was supernaturally compelled to. I don't think that's that's necessarily an absolute. I'm aware of the relevant WoB, but I don't think it precludes the possibility of a Shard's behavior being influenced by its Intent, even when that behavior mostly applies only to itself. That is, Ruin certainly didn't try to Ruin himself, but he did behave ruinously, to the extent that the Ati's entire personality was changed over time. I think Tanavast would be affected by his Shard enough that he would behave honorably. It doesn't make sense for Odium to hate himself, but it certainly does makes sense for him to behave hatefully. 1
1empyrean Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 Crazy idea, what if the Nightblood-Szeth bond changes Nightblood as he learns what it means to DESTROY EVIL from Szeth. Can an unbonded spren draw on stormlight?
Stormgate he/him Posted December 18, 2015 Posted December 18, 2015 I don't think so on the Stormlight, but the idea about Nightblood is a definite possibility.
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