Speculation: Imprisoning Odium

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I disagree with this idea about Intent being external.

Mistborn spoilers

Preservation clearly had a desire to preserve himself since he was unable to Kamikaze like Vin. His ultimate plan revolved around someone with a bit of Ruin taking up his power and ending Ruin. WoN is that this is what Elend saw when he burned Atium and Duralumin.

I believe his Intent overrode his will to destroy the thing that threatened his creations.

 

 

Note Darnam that I agree with you still that Intent is not the all-time beat-all, but it plays a major influence as I described.

 

It's WoB that Preservation isn't about preserving himself.  And Vin being able to kill Ruin isn't because she has some Ruinous investiture (which at his pretty negligble while she is Ascended, had more Preservation than Ruin anyway and she's no holding Preservation in its entirety, that's like a single drop of oil compared to the entire ocean).  It's because she had not yet been molded by Preservation's Intent. 

 

Eric Lake ()

It's a little odd that Preservation would inherently give up its power to fuel Allomancy, because you'd think he would preserve himself, you know? Does that make sense?

Brandon Sanderson

Preservation, as a Shard, is about preserving life, people, and the like. Not about self. No more than Ruin is about destroying self, or Cultivation is about growing herself.

 

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[Chaos he/him]

This http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/369-theory-the-principle-of-intent/?hl=%20shardic%20%20intent should be it.

Important notice: I have since recanted on the idea that a Shard can only retrieve power if used by a Shard's intent. That was pure speculation on my part, from a different time in our knowledge. I need to do a big revision of that theory, though the basic Principle, as far as I'm concerned, is totally canonical, as Brandon described Allomancy in the exact way the theory describes. I like Moogle's explanation for Honor's action.

Unrelated: this topic highly amuses me, but I can't tell you exactly why just yet.

[Robot Aztec]

 

Unrelated: this topic highly amuses me, but I can't tell you exactly why just yet.

 

Odium is in big fabrial right? Shard ius basically giant spren actually odiums planet is giant fabiral like death star thatis my new guess

[Moogle]

Unrelated: this topic highly amuses me, but I can't tell you exactly why just yet.

 

Oh now you're just teasing us.

 

My current guess based on your comment is that Odium imprisoned Honor, not the other way around.

[Chaos he/him]

Oh now you're just teasing us.

 

My current guess based on your comment is that Odium imprisoned Honor, not the other way around.

I only mean to imply that there will be comedic value to this discussion in a bit, nothing more  

 

   

Odium is in big fabrial right? Shard ius basically giant spren actually odiums planet is giant fabiral like death star thatis my new guess

On the other hand I definitely mean to imply that, because hilarity. Guys Roshar is a gigantic gemstone and that's why you trap spren in gems IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

[DocHoliday he/him]

I only mean to imply that there will be comedic value to this discussion in a bit, nothing more  !

I hate you almost as much as Tor for teasing me so.

[Quiver he/him]

I hate you almost as much as Tor for teasing me so.

 

I hate him so much more than Tor. At least there I can avoid the chapters. Here we have the Words of Radiance forum and people rubbing in our faces that they've read it! So unfair.

 

Minor thread derailment, but since we're talking about whether Shardic intents are internal or external, do we also have any indication as to the range of the intents? Were Preservation and Ruin only focused on preserving and ruining civilisations on Scadrial, or would either of them have turned towards trying to preserve the Cosmere from Odium or ruining him directly?

 

I have a vague theory that Odium might be evading Harmony so that it can become invested enough on Scadrial not to notice/care about the disharmony that blowing up Shards elsewhere in the Cosmere might cause.

 

EDIT: 'evading' or 'avoiding' would have made sense, so I said Odium was evaioding Harmony. Naturally.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Quiver

[Elementalist he/him]

I hate him so much more than Tor. At least there I can avoid the chapters. Here we have the Words of Radiance forum and people rubbing in our faces that they've read it! So unfair.

 

Minor thread derailment, but since we're talking about whether Shardic intents are internal or external, do we also have any indication as to the range of the intents? Were Preservation and Ruin only focused on preserving and ruining civilisations on Scadrial, or would either of them have turned towards trying to preserve the Cosmere from Odium or ruining him directly?

 

I have a vague theory that Odium might be eavoiding Harmony so that it can become invested enough on Scadrial not to notice/care about the disharmony that blowing up Shards elsewhere in the Cosmere might cause.

I think that Shards want to eventually apply their intents to the whole Cosmere, but have to work one planet at a time. This could be because a Shard must become invested in a planet as the first step of applying their intent to it, though that's just one possibility.

[Iarvos]

I have a vague theory that Odium might be evading Harmony so that it can become invested enough on Scadrial not to notice/care about the disharmony that blowing up Shards elsewhere in the Cosmere might cause.

 

Is there evidence beyond Harmony's name leading to the belief that Harmony's intent is actually Harmony? I'm confused how the mixing of Ruin and Preservation could result in a completely different intent than either of the originals rather than some strange hybrid. If you mixed another pair of antithetical shards would you get Harmony v2.0*? It seems somewhat unlikely to me. That said, I have no idea what else Harmony's intent could be, as any mixture between the intent of Ruin and the intent of Preservation seems like it could only lead to insanity - unless it was a completely neutral intent, which just doesn't seem fair.

 

Digressing further into a mini theory, Adonalsium quite likely didn't have an intent in the same way that one of the shard's do, so its possible that Harmony has reached that state again on a smaller scale. And if that's true, that could be attractive to Odium, who doesn't want to corrupt his own intent by polluting himself with other intents. Would adding neutral intent shardic essence to shardic essence with an intent dilute that intent? 

 

*Of course with higher resolution, a faster processor, and. . . oh wait. 

Edited February 2, 2014 by Iarvos