Magnifico Giganticus Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Ok, just have to let this out there. I knew she was alive! At first I didn't have proof. I just wanted her to be alive and wondered how so ostensibly powerful a person could be taken out like that. Then I found a graphic on the nets showing the Orders and how they are related. I remembered (I think it was) Jasnah telling Shallan how each Order shared a Surge with each Order on either side of them. So I was curious to see what Order Jasnah had been and I knew I just had to see who Lightweavers shared Soul Casting with. When I looked I saw that it was the Elsecallers and that the Elsecallers'other Surge was Transportation and I KNEW! I knew she was alive and I was right! I don't expect that to matter too much but I have to talk about this stuff and the only person I know who read the books isn't nearly as excited as I am. 3
DreamEternal Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Nice thing you called it as well. While I myself didn't look at the order diagram until after the book, I also called she was a Elsecaller, since their description in the epigraphs said they were the masters of transversing shadesmar, followed by the Lightweavers and Willshapers, and I knew she shared with Shallan a surge dealing with shadesmar but was much better than her at manipulating it.
Magnifico Giganticus Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 Ah, see, I didn't see to come at it that way. Those epigraphs are how I knew that Wit was a Willshaper though. I think they tipped me off on Dalinar, too. Sombody. But not Jasnah. Good catch! I planned on going back through just the epigraphs of both books and see if I can't get a more solid picture of what they are getting at. Clues everywhere!
DreamEternal Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Ah, see, I didn't see to come at it that way. Those epigraphs are how I knew that Wit was a Willshaper though. I think they tipped me off on Dalinar, too. Sombody. But not Jasnah. Good catch! I planned on going back through just the epigraphs of both books and see if I can't get a more solid picture of what they are getting at. Clues everywhere! Wit was saying the truth when he told Dalinar he isn't a Radiant. Actualy Hoid is something else entirely. If you want to learn more, you should search "Cosmere" in the coopermind wiki, although you should first read all of Brandon's secondary world fantasy books if you don't want to spoil yourself from some interesting discoveries, even if they aren't central to the plot yet. And avoid this part of the forum, since it is very spoilery about the Cosmere. Edited December 2, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
Elbereth she/her Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) What proof do you have that Wit is a Willshaper? I mean, it's certainly possible, but as far as I know, he hasn't shown any particular powers from Roshar. EDIT: Ninja'd. Edited December 2, 2015 by Ookla the Star-Goddess
Magnifico Giganticus Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 He's not? I just took it from that epigraph that he was. Or that he could be. It seemed to be descibing him and then there's how he gets around. I definitely have no proof! But hey, this is what I'm here to discuss. So, is he more like the guy who brought Szeth back? I would love to do that search but I am thinking I'll want to go through the books first. Though if I'm worried about spoilers I shouldn't be asking for them by trying to figure this stuff out! The brain always wants to race ahead. It is really nice to have something like this to be excited about again.
Elbereth she/her Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Ummm. No, he's not like the guy who brought Szeth back. He's an anomaly. And definitely don't wander around in here until you've read more. Particularly Mistborn (and to a lesser extent Warbreaker and Elantris).
DreamEternal Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) He isn't an herald either . If you really want to know about the Cosmere, you should check the coopermind wiki, but I can say that most info about it isn't central to the books' plots for now. As for the Cosmere itself, all of Brandon's books that don't take place in some version of our universe take place in the Cosmere. Some people can move from one world to another by various means. Hoid is the most prominient of these "worldhoppers", and probably the oldest. There are many others spread through the books, some of which you may recognize from other books. While Nale/Nin/"Darkness" is, as far as we know, not a worldhopper, the sword he gave Szeth was made in another world, and plays an important part in Warbreaker. Its maker also appears in Roshar, although I won't say when or where. EDIT: And feel free to browse this forums and read the theories, I myself only developed an interest in Brandon's books after reading way too many spoilers Edited December 2, 2015 by CognitivePulsePattern
Magnifico Giganticus Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 Also, I took his ripping on people to be a part of what a Willshaper might do. It could be instructional to people to call them out. Maybe alter their chosen trajectory through the world by making them ashamed of it. But oh well! I can accept being wrong!
Magnifico Giganticus Posted December 2, 2015 Author Posted December 2, 2015 What the hell! I'm an anomaly and I can't world-hop.
DreamEternal Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 It is generaly considered better to edit your previous post instead of posting twice in a row.
DSC01 he/him Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 He can do some things that Radiants can do, including Lightweaving (though his power works a little differently than the Radiants' version). You should read Mistborn, then go back and read the flashback scene where Wit shows up. The part where Shallan thinks he's about to poison her father, but he puts the "poison" in his own drink instead, should make more sense then. He's in Mistborn, too, but he doesn't really do much that pertains to the main plot there (and he goes by Hoid, not Wit).
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Ok, just have to let this out there. I knew she was alive! At first I didn't have proof. I just wanted her to be alive and wondered how so ostensibly powerful a person could be taken out like that. Then I found a graphic on the nets showing the Orders and how they are related. I remembered (I think it was) Jasnah telling Shallan how each Order shared a Surge with each Order on either side of them. So I was curious to see what Order Jasnah had been and I knew I just had to see who Lightweavers shared Soul Casting with. When I looked I saw that it was the Elsecallers and that the Elsecallers'other Surge was Transportation and I KNEW! I knew she was alive and I was right! I don't expect that to matter too much but I have to talk about this stuff and the only person I know who read the books isn't nearly as excited as I am. I honestly didnt even think of her being an Elsecaller or anything relating to the Orders. My clue was when Shallan looked in the room to see Jasnah dead, and her body just wasnt there. Shallan saying that the murderers must have taken it triggered my suspicion. Figured she transofrmed blood(to fool that she had actually been stabbed) and popped into shadesmar. Way more awesome than what I expected. Edited December 2, 2015 by The Ninja Yodeler
natc Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) The subject of Hoid has always been of particular note in Sanderson novels. It's hard to not notice him, even when he doesn't have as direct a role. I mean, Tanavast wouldn't buy drinks for a lowly Willshaper, surely. Our good ol' Liar of Partinel deserves more credit than that. Edited December 3, 2015 by natc
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