Who is Tarah? Kaladin's wife?

[Auri Garvel Xel'iathi he/him]

Actually, maybe that's the reason he gets caught again? Maybe he keeps trying to go back to Tarah?

Speculation is fun!

[Natans he/him]

I agree with all of this except her calling him "Cap." Before Dalinar promoting him, the highest rank Kaladin achieved was squadleader. He was the youngest squadleader ever, but that is still way below Captain. I wonder if he is the youngest Captain ever?

 

Regardless, Kaladin and Tarah must have been pretty serious if his failure with her involved love. I don't think he would consider it as serious of a failure as those who died because of him if it wasn't serious. In fact, if he were married to Tarah and got her pregnant, it would be as serious as death.

 

Isn't speculating fun?

 

No, But he is the ONLY Cap in the army that have darkeyes now =) 

 

If when he was Squadleader he apparently already was a catch, now that is is Cap the women in the camp will trown safehand slevees at him (I now very scandalous). 

 

I fell that a certain Kholin that are well know for his womanizer ways will get competion in the form of very fit, tanned, long haired young Captain, very silly I now =)

 

Serious, married, sons ? I thinked more in the line of courting or something, and I think that he failed her not in be turned i slave( what would be so simple now that he is free agian) but in other way ( the plot must get thicker)

[Shardbearer he/him]

No, But he is the ONLY Cap in the army that have darkeyes now =) 

 

If when he was Squadleader he apparently already was a catch, now that is is Cap the women in the camp will trown safehand slevees at him (I now very scandalous). 

 

I fell that a certain Kholin that are well know for his womanizer ways will get competion in the form of very fit, tanned, long haired young Captain, very silly I now =)

 

Serious, married, sons ? I thinked more in the line of courting or something, and I think that he failed her not in be turned i slave( what would be so simple now that he is free agian) but in other way ( the plot must get thicker)

We're talking about something that happened before Kaladin became a captain...

[+eveorjoy she/her]

I fell that a certain Kholin that are well know for his womanizer ways will get competion in the form of very fit, tanned, long haired young Captain, very silly I now =)

 

I doubt Kaladin will be much competition for Adolin. Kaladin has a deep aversion to lighteyes, so I doubt he would try to pursue the same women as Adolin. Also he still has a slave brand on his head. Free or not, most of the women Adolin courts would reject Kaladin for that reason alone.

 

Not that Kaladin couldn't end up with a lighteyed woman, but a lot of things would need to happen for that to work. Maybe there will be a love triangle between Kaladin, Adolin, and Shallan. But doesn't that always happen in these kind of stories?

Serious, married, sons ? I thinked more in the line of courting or something, and I think that he failed her not in be turned i slave( what would be so simple now that he is free agian) but in other way ( the plot must get thicker)

 

He wasn't free nor did he think he would be freed when he thought about failing her. Also, Tarah lives in Sadeas princedom. Would it be wise for him to go back to her? Do you really think Sadeas is going to care that Dalinar gave him a Shardblade, if he can get his hands on Kaladin?

Edited December 15, 2013 by Windrunner
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[Arachiel she/her]

Well, damnation, I hope she's not the lady for Kaladin. I'm pulling for Kaladin and Shallan (two major characters, around the same age, opposite genders? Yes.). Also, it would be full-circle redemption against his hate for light-eyes. Couple that with the fact that Shallan's family isn't high-ranking anyway. I see it happening. Maybe I'm just hopeful

Edited December 15, 2013 by Journie

[Colby Jack he/him]

To be honest, I'm kind of fine with any romance with Kaladin, really... Provided that his main love interest doesn't suddenly become completely obsessed over some other stupid villain that the author introduced in the final book, side against him despite everything they've been through, and render the past TWELVE books worth of emotional investment completely wort...

*Cough*

Sorry about that. Fresh off another series. Still fuming over the way it ended.

So yeah, Kaladin has a lot of potential. BS can really do whatever he likes with his romance... He could even throw Laral back in the mix and give him a little spice to shake up his life. If he could do it well, I'm all for it.

Edited December 15, 2013 by mrwerd

[+eveorjoy she/her]

Well, damnation, I hope she's not the lady for Kaladin. I'm pulling for Kaladin and Shallan (two major characters, around the same age, opposite genders? Yes.). Also, it would be full-circle redemption against his hate for light-eyes. Couple that with the fact that Shallan's family isn't high-ranking anyway. I see it happening. Maybe I'm just hopeful

 

Shallan is high ranking, her house just isn't powerful--and also it's broke. I have a feeling Shallan is a mess and Kaladin has enough issues. Maybe they could work, but both of them would need to dump a lot of baggage before it could happen.

 

 

So yeah, Kaladin has a lot of potential. BS can really do whatever he likes with his romance... He could even throw Laral back in the mix and give him a little spice to shake up his life. If he could do it well, I'm all for it.

 

I think the Laral ship has sailed, though I think Kal is lucky to have dodged that bullet. On my third read through of WOK I noticed that Laral is kind of a jerk to the darkeyed boys of Hearthstone. And then when Kal is defeated she just walks off. Then the next time she sees him, she's even worse--though she could have been offended by Lirin's theft.

Edited December 15, 2013 by eveorjoy

[Natans he/him]

 

 

Well, damnation, I hope she's not the lady for Kaladin. I'm pulling for Kaladin and Shallan (two major characters, around the same age, opposite genders? Yes.). Also, it would be full-circle redemption against his hate for light-eyes. Couple that with the fact that Shallan's family isn't high-ranking anyway. I see it happening. Maybe I'm just hopeful 

 

Don't say that aloud Miss Feather could hear =)

 

I'm saving jugament until Tarah  appears, how know she could be a nice character =)

 

 

 
I doubt Kaladin will be much competition for Adolin. Kaladin has a deep aversion to lighteyes, so I doubt he would try to pursue the same women as Adolin. Also he still has a slave brand on his head. Free or not, most of the women Adolin courts would reject Kaladin for that reason alone.
 
Not that Kaladin couldn't end up with a lighteyed woman, but a lot of things would need to happen for that to work. Maybe there will be a love triangle between Kaladin, Adolin, and Shallan. But doesn't that always happen in these kind of stories?

 
He wasn't free nor did he think he would be freed when he thought about failing her. Also, Tarah lives in Sadeas princedom. Would it be wise for him to go back to her? Do you really think Sadeas is going to care that Dalinar gave him a Shardblade, if he can get his hands on Kaladin?

 

 

Maybe Kaladin will have some romance plot in this book(for sure that spicy things up). But even If he don't i'm fine,there is soo many thing happening at same time, and so many secret to be revelead that romance could be put aside for some books  =) 

 

Just saying, Adolin and Kaladin will have some troubles with one and another. A little jealous from Adolin part could be possible, even if Kaladin don't make anything. Adolin for sure like to be "the guy" but when kaladin begin to shine things could get trick

Edited December 15, 2013 by Natans

[Guest Alaxel]

If when he was Squadleader he apparently already was a catch, now that is is Cap the women in the camp will trown safehand slevees at him (I now very scandalous)

You've just given me a brilliant idea: a wet safehand contest!

[+eveorjoy she/her]

 

Maybe Kaladin will have some romance plot in this book(for sure that spicy things up). But even If he don't i'm fine,there is soo many thing happening at same time, and so many secret to be revelead that romance could be put aside for some books  =) 

 

Just saying, Adolin and Kaladin will have some troubles with one and another. A little jealous from Adolin part could be possible, even if Kaladin don't make anything. Adolin for sure like to be "the guy" but when kaladin begin to shine things could get trick

 

 

Tarah may not be a romantic interest. She is important, but Sanderson has said so little about her that anything is possible. The fact he said so little makes me wonder if she was, or will be a love interest. WOK was not the book for Kaladin to be grieving over a lost love in.

 

I agree Adolin and Kaladin will be butting heads in WOR, but I think the jealously will come from how close Kaladin gets to Dalinar. Sanderson is setting up a surrogate father son relationship between Kaladin and Dalinar. I think Adolin will have plenty to be jealous of from that.

[Fistsofrage]

I think I'm more intersted in Kaladin having emotional moments with his spear Some of the best scenes in WOK have to do with Kaladin dancing with or resisting the lure of "the spear" *wink* *wink*. Brandon makes Kaladin dancing with his spear sound better than sex, drugs, and alcohol lol.

[Arondell]

I think the Laral ship has sailed, though I think Kal is lucky to have dodged that bullet. On my third read through of WOK I noticed that Laral is kind of a jerk to the darkeyed boys of Hearthstone. And then when Kal is defeated she just walks off. Then the next time she sees him, she's even worse--though she could have been offended by Lirin's theft.

I agree that it isn't likely that Kaladin is going to have any kind of romantic relationship with Laral in the future.  That being said I don't have such a harsh view of her.  I got the distinct impression that Laral didn't have a lot of control in her life and there was a lot going on off stage with her that we didn't see.  In any case I have a very hard time believing that Laral actually wanted to marry Roshone.

 

Edit : It suddenly occurred to me that one reason she may have been so frantic when Rillr was killed was that she might have suspected that Roshone would still want a marriage.  The man is a living happiness sink.

Edited December 16, 2013 by Arondell

[Colby Jack he/him]

Tarah may not be a romantic interest. She is important, but Sanderson has said so little about her that anything is possible. The fact he said so little makes me wonder if she was, or will be a love interest. WOK was not the book for Kaladin to be grieving over a lost love in.

 

Hey, you just gave me a thought.

 

I don't remember the book saying anywhere that Tarah's a young lady around Kaladin's age. I mean, coaxed can have a different meaning here. She could very well just be some old lady who became the maternal figure in his life after his parents stop talking to him.

 

Tarah: Feeling down? I baked you some cookies. Now don't eat it all at once. You'll get fat!

 

Yeah, who knows? It could happen!

Edited December 16, 2013 by mrwerd

[+eveorjoy she/her]

I agree that it isn't likely that Kaladin is going to have any kind of romantic relationship with Laral in the future.  That being said I don't have such a harsh view of her.  I got the distinct impression that Laral didn't have a lot of control in her life and there was a lot going on off stage with her that we didn't see.  In any case I have a very hard time believing that Laral actually wanted to marry Roshone.

 

Edit : It suddenly occurred to me that one reason she may have been so frantic when Rillr was killed was that she might have suspected that Roshone would still want a marriage.  The man is a living happiness sink.

 

You have a point. It's hard to be sure. The part that bothered me most about Laral was this.

 

Page 255

 

"Jost stepped back.Kal lay on his back, breathing.He didn't know what to feel. Holding the staff in that moment had felt wonderful. Incredible. At the same time, he could see Laral to the side. She stood up and, instead of kneeling to help him, turned and walked away, toward her father's mansion."

 

She seemed rather indifferent toward Kal after he had been humiliated. Maybe she was only worried about her father's health. Maybe she only want Kal until she doubted he could become a lighteyes by winning a shardblade. Either way, I don't think she and Kaladin would have worked.

 

But maybe I am being a bit hard on her. 

 

 

Hey, you just gave me a thought.

 

I don't remember the book saying anywhere that Tarah's a young lady around Kaladin's age. I mean, coaxed can have a different meaning here. She could very well just be some old lady who became the maternal figure in his life after his parents stop talking to him.

 

Tarah: Feeling down? I baked you some cookies. Now don't eat it all at once. You'll get fat!

 

Yeah, who knows? It could happen!

 

I've considered this too. The truth is, we don't know. Still, bringing Tarah up twice without explaining her history with Kaladin suggests she will be dealt with in another book. But if she is an old biddy Kaladin had motherly affection for, that wouldn't surprise me either. I wonder how he failed her though.

[junior]

Page 49-- Kaladin speaking to a slave in the wagon with him.

 

"Ten times" Kaladin whispered. "Ten escape attempts in eight months, fleeing from five different masters. And how many of them worked?"

 

Maybe that is the reason he tried to escape so often.

 

Still, Tarah is more likely a former fiancee, than wife or mother of his child. Hopefully we will read more about her in WOR.

 

Eh...  Kaladin's the kind of guy that talks his lost slavemaster into handing over the map, and then tearing up the map in front of the slavemaster.  He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would have needed additional encouragement to attempt an escape.

 

Plus, he owes his dead squad vengeance on Amaram.  It's not so much that Amaram screwed Kaladin over (though he did, and Kaladin's not happy about it).  It's that Kaladin's squad was slaughtered by their own leader.

 

And on that note...

 

Though it's unlikely to happen, I'd still love to see the look on Amaram's face if Kaladin ever challenges Amaram to a duel.

[Natans he/him]

Though it's unlikely to happen, I'd still love to see the look on Amaram's face if Kaladin ever challenges Amaram to a duel.

 

If only this could happen Justice would be made.

 

 I was reflecting on the matter. Apparently Kaladin inner conflict in this book will be honor against revenge, but make Amaram pay are really vegence ? I mean Amaram killed Kal friends and maked him slave after Kaladin saved his life, but in Roshar given the position of both Kaladin and Amaram, Kaladin can't make legal Amaram pay for his crime.

 

So if Kaladin, in a way or another, "punish" Amaram would be justice or revenge ? I mean If Kaladin didn't make anything the death caused for Amaram will go unipunished. 

 

And lets be frank what Amaram did was hideous staying behind only at Sadeas tower trap.

Edited December 16, 2013 by Natans

[Colby Jack he/him]

If only this could happen Justice would be made.

 

 I was reflecting on the matter. Apparently Kaladin inner conflict in this book will be honor against revenge, but make Amaram pay are really vegence ? I mean Amaram killed Kal friends and maked him slave after Kaladin saved his life, but in Roshar given the position of both Kaladin and Amaram, Kaladin can't make legal Amaram pay for his crime.

 

So if Kaladin, in a way or another, "punish" Amaram would be justice or revenge ? I mean If Kaladin didn't make anything the death caused for Amaram will go unipunished. 

 

And lets be frank what Amaram did was hideous staying behind only at Sadeas tower trap.

Kaladin can't, but Dalinar certainly can. With his instatement as Highprince of War, every soldier is now his... And the possibilities makes me so giddy. I will settle for nothing less than his head on a silver platter.

Edited December 16, 2013 by mrwerd

[Shardbearer he/him]

"My name is Kaladin Stormblessed. You killed my soldiers. Prepare to die."

[+eveorjoy she/her]

Eh...  Kaladin's the kind of guy that talks his lost slavemaster into handing over the map, and then tearing up the map in front of the slavemaster.  He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would have needed additional encouragement to attempt an escape.

 

Plus, he owes his dead squad vengeance on Amaram.  It's not so much that Amaram screwed Kaladin over (though he did, and Kaladin's not happy about it).  It's that Kaladin's squad was slaughtered by their own leader.

 

And on that note...

 

Though it's unlikely to happen, I'd still love to see the look on Amaram's face if Kaladin ever challenges Amaram to a duel.

 

Also true, but he still might have other motives for escape.

 

I doubt Kaladin will challenge Amaram. Kaladin's status has improved greatly, but he isn't the same level as Amaram. I think for the sake of Bridge Four Kaladin is going to let his angry boil quietly when he sees Amaram again, at least at first. I have dreamed of Sadeas ordering Amaram to attack Dalinar, allowing Kaladin a chance at vengence, but I doubt this will happen either. Too easy and predictable.

Edited December 16, 2013 by eveorjoy

[Natans he/him]

Kaladin can't, but Dalinar certainly can. With his instatement as Highprince of War, every soldier is now his... And the possibilities makes me so giddy. I will settle for nothing less than his head on a silver platter.

 

Amaram are from Sadeas princedom, If Dalinar didn't attacked Sadeas over the whole tower fiasco he woudn't because the word of a darkeye.  

 

If he acted against Amaram Sadeas for sure would react and S@#$ would hit the fan =)

Edited December 16, 2013 by Natans

[Auri Garvel Xel'iathi he/him]

My heart burns with anger for what Amaram has done. I'm so excited and stoked for the reckoning between these two men.

However it happens, it must be in such a way that the realm remains stable. Let's not forget that we have an assassin in white out there aiming to stir up the pot. What if during the attack Amaram becomes collateral en route to Dalinar but to save Dalinar he'd have to save Amaram too? What if Sadeas was in the same boat? *shivers*

Almighty help Kaladin Stormblessed.

Edited December 16, 2013 by Auri Garvel Xel'iathi

[Gloom he/him]

If I recall correctly, any Shardbearer can be challenged. Rock ended up in Sadeas camp as a result of his darkeyed lord challenging Sadeas for his plate. The Shardbearer isn't required to accept the challenge, but there is nothing to prevent the challenge from being issued. If Kaladin challenged Amaram by stating that Amaram stole Kaladins Shards, a case could be made where Amaram would feel honorbound to defend his right to carry them. There are no living witnesses to Amarams capturing the Shards, and while I suspect Amaram could produce witnesses if required, having a darkeyed captain in Dalinars camp impune his honor could result in a loss of face for Amaram should he refuse.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

So in awesome case scenario... Kaladin wins full Shardplate and Sword and gives it to Teft or Moash. That'd be pretty fantastic.

[+eveorjoy she/her]

If I recall correctly, any Shardbearer can be challenged. Rock ended up in Sadeas camp as a result of his darkeyed lord challenging Sadeas for his plate. The Shardbearer isn't required to accept the challenge, but there is nothing to prevent the challenge from being issued. If Kaladin challenged Amaram by stating that Amaram stole Kaladins Shards, a case could be made where Amaram would feel honorbound to defend his right to carry them. There are no living witnesses to Amarams capturing the Shards, and while I suspect Amaram could produce witnesses if required, having a darkeyed captain in Dalinars camp impune his honor could result in a loss of face for Amaram should he refuse.

 

Wow we got off topic. That's fine.

 

I still think to protect his men, Kaladin won't challenge Amaram. Sanderson is going to throw some twist in there that will be brilliant. 

 

Having Kaladin fight Amaram as soon as he sees him is too easy.

 

 

So in awesome case scenario... Kaladin wins full Shardplate and Sword and gives it to Teft or Moash. That'd be pretty fantastic.

 

He'll give it to Moash. Moash is begging for it.

Edited December 16, 2013 by eveorjoy

[Colby Jack he/him]

Based on the early chapters, I would say that Kaladin have a very respectable reputation in the army. No one who knows him would believe that he is a coward.

 

I also feel that the way Amaram dealt with Kaladin and the story he concocted was too messy. Unless he plans to off his own men too, I wouldn't be surprised if there are already rumors of the truth. That Amaram is a filthy traitor and he deserves the slave brand on Kaladin's head more than the current wearer. If so, I hope it follows him all the way to the Shattered Plains. It would be more appropriate if Dalinar found out the truth on his own, rather than from Kaladin. If Kaladin have to approach him and ask for help, then it would weaken the gesture when Dalinar provides it. It could go a long way of helping him mend his trauma.

 

Kaladin should take back what is rightfully his. If this ends in a challenge, all the more better. Amaram is easy meat.

Edited December 16, 2013 by mrwerd