LordJuss Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 So there seem to be a lot of posts in this forum that are based on the assumption that Harmony arranged Lessie's death. Unless I missed something major, I'm not yet convinced that this is true. We are told that Harmony never took control of Lessie directly, but he did press her very hard to do something she didn't want to do. We are also told that Lessie was sent as a bodyguard and that her becoming a lover was not part of the plan. As far as I can tell we are never told that Harmony arranged Lessie's death. We know he wanted Wax to return to the city and that Lessie felt this would be bad for Wax. But it's a long jump to Harmony therefore arranging her death. Besides, how would he do it? Lessie wouldn't do it to herself and we know he didn't take control of her. Was he controlling Bloody Tan? Certainly not directly as Tan wasn't a hemalurgic construct. Communicating through a spike? Possibly, but it's not Harmony's style to help a mass murderer and Tan seemed to have the whole thing set up from the start. I suspect someone was helping him, but not Harmony. In addition, Wax doesn't think Harmony arranged the death. He explicitly says that he's furious at Harmony for sending a kandra to seduce him. He's also angry that was not told who Paalm was, but he does not even consider that Harmony murdered Lessie in the first place. Anyway if so, it was a rubbish plan. Lessie's death nearly drove Wax away from being a lawman. Yes it got him to Elendel but at the price of being unable/unwilling to fight. It was only the threat of immediate death for him and everyone around him that finally woke him up. I suspect we're being deliberately misled. Lessie refused to help get Wax to the city, at which point someone else (Trell maybe?) arranged her death. She believed Harmony had done it (or at least had allowed it to happen) when in fact he had no part in it. Thoughts? LJ. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Hey I just edited the thread title. Please try to avoid spoilers when naming threads as although this is in a spoiler forum the name still shows up in the "Recent Threads" on the right hand side of the forum index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 it was said that harmony wanted lessie to do something she resisted, but she eventually gave in and got along with it. at least if i remember correctly. so dieing was the thing she didn't want to do, but eventually agreed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ciasiab Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 I don't remember Lessie or Tensoon confirming that she went along with anything: “Speak to Harmony and find out something for me. Did Bleeder first leave because Harmony tried to take control of her at some point? Did that set her off?” A moment of silence. “Yes,” TenSoon replied. “Harmony says He didn’t try to control her directly, but He did push her very hard to do something she didn’t want to do.” “Ask Harmony,” she said, the trembling growing more violent. “Ask him, Wax! Ask why he sent a kandra to watch over you, all those years ago. Ask him if he knew I would come to love you!” “No…” “He moved us, even then!” she whispered. “I refused. I wouldn’t manipulate you into returning to Elendel! You loved it out there. I wouldn’t bring you back, to become his pawn.…” “Lessie?” Harmony, it was her. It was her. “Ask him … Wax,” she said. “Ask him … why … if he knows everything … he’d let you kill me.…” She grew still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The thing is, if she was really 100% against faking her death, there was nothing stopping her from going "Hey Wax, I'm not actually dead" right after he killed Tan. Sure, it would have been difficult to explain, but it WAS an option. So it seems to me that there are only two possibilities: 1. TenSoon was wrong or lying and Harmony did actually take control of her. 2. Even if she wasn't totally on board with faking her death, she still voluntarily picked that over telling Wax she'd been a kandra all along. I still have no idea what was up with Tan, and it's possible that Trell or someone else had a hand in her "death". But if Paalm had wanted to totally screw up the ruse and not die, Harmony was the only one with the power to stop her. Anyway if so, it was a rubbish plan. Lessie's death nearly drove Wax away from being a lawman. Yes it got him to Elendel but at the price of being unable/unwilling to fight. It was only the threat of immediate death for him and everyone around him that finally woke him up. Objections like this don't really work when the entity making the plan has superhuman foresight. I think it's within Harmony's capability to know that circumstances would unfold so as to push Wax back to being a lawman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of nowhere Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 The thing is, if she was really 100% against faking her death, there was nothing stopping her from going "Hey Wax, I'm not actually dead" right after he killed Tan. Sure, it would have been difficult to explain, but it WAS an option. expanding on that, headshots are lethal less often than assumed. sometimes dealing damage to the brain shuts it down, and sometimes it will continue to function with loss of some functions. she could have kept the heart beating, the breathing going, and someone would ahve realized she was still alive before buryng her. then she could have gradually recovered. faking some memory losses, a difficult rehabilitation, and it would have been a perfectly plausible survival. the doctors would have called her very lucky, but no one would have had any reason for suspicion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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