Sleep Feruchemy

[MrMistborn he/him]

Is it possible to fill Metalminds while sleeping, and if so, are there any ramifications to the filling? After all, it seems almost too easy. Reducing your weight, speed etc.. while sleeping could be very easy. Also filling a wakefulness Metalmind when going to bed would be very useful, as it makes you very drowsy. But are there any negative effects to this filling?

 

[Voidus]

No, the only thing you can store while sleeping is Wakefullness. 

[natc]

Which, in actuality, is only because it'd be useless otherwise.

It apparently will knock you out cold and keeps going until you're supposed to wake up, I think. Real useful, wakefulness feruchemy. For working overtime and to cure insomnia.

Edited October 25, 2015 by natc

[Charononus]

Which, in actuality, is only because it'd be useless otherwise.

It apparently will knock you out cold and keeps going until you're supposed to wake up, I think. Real useful, wakefulness feruchemy. For working overtime and to cure insomnia.

I so wish this was something in real life when I get insomnia.

[Guest]

Is it possible to fill Metalminds while sleeping, and if so, are there any ramifications to the filling? After all, it seems almost too easy. Reducing your weight, speed etc.. while sleeping could be very easy. Also filling a wakefulness Metalmind when going to bed would be very useful, as it makes you very drowsy. But are there any negative effects to this filling?

 

Mistborn 2, Chapter 50 has a Sazed viewpoint while he's filling practically every metalmind he owns simultaneously.

 

And, while sleeping, he couldn't fill metalminds - or, at least, he could fill only one.

[Eagle of the Forest Path he/him]

Hmm, I dunno, the way I see it according to your interpretation, if you sleep 8 hours while filling your Bronzemind, you'd wake up just as tired as when you went to bed, because the benefits from sleeping went into the metalmind instead of being applied to you.

 

Though the Ars Arcanum does say that storing wakefulness makes you sleep longer in exchange for being able to stay awake at a later time. So instead of sleeping 8 hours for a full night's rest, filling your metalmind by 1/5 will make you sleep 10 hours, of which 2 end up in the Bronzemind.

 

What I'm wondering is what benefits (if any) compound tapping wakefulness would grant.

In other words, what would happen if you tap 8 hours worth of stored wakefulness in a single hour.

Is that even possible? would it just make you really hyper? Really alert? (Caffeinemind, anyone?)

Edited October 26, 2015 by EagleOfTheForestPath

[Guest]

I suspect that Wakefulness might be an attribute where continuous, high-use compounding might actually be detrimental instead of beneficial since over sleeping makes one lethargic.

Though with controlled Tapping, they'd never need to sleep, ever, since they could have years worth of sleep stored up in a matter of days.

Similarly, high-use compounding of Sight would only be useful as a human telescope, hearing would make you go deaf (irony of ironys), and the extreme end of strength compounding would make you so muscular that your joints would be useless and you'd be immobile.

[Charononus]

I suspect that Wakefulness might be an attribute where continuous, high-use compounding might actually be detrimental instead of beneficial since over sleeping makes one lethargic.

Though with controlled Tapping, they'd never need to sleep, ever, since they could have years worth of sleep stored up in a matter of days.

Similarly, high-use compounding of Sight would only be useful as a human telescope, hearing would make you go deaf (irony of ironys), and the extreme end of strength compounding would make you so muscular that your joints would be useless and you'd be immobile.

Probably just as dangerous to compound sleep as it is to become a pewter savant. Stopping after a long time could kill you.

[Eagle of the Forest Path he/him]

Probably just as dangerous to compound sleep as it is to become a pewter savant. Stopping after a long time could kill you.

 

I doubt it, tapping wakefulness should counteract any buildup of physical fatigue, at least.

The mental consequences, however, of remaining awake forever are debatable. Could get nasty after a while, or it might not, if mental fatigue is also negated by tapping bronze.

[Guest]

I doubt it, tapping wakefulness should counteract any buildup of physical fatigue, at least.

The mental consequences, however, of remaining awake forever are debatable. Could get nasty after a while, or it might not, if mental fatigue is also negated by tapping bronze.

Since "Wakefulness" is stored as sleep, I suspect that the mental degradation due to lack of sleep won't happen.

Feruchemy is, in some ways, the ultimate in procrastination. A magical way of saying "I'll do it later" even though it's happening now. So there's no reason that storing 4 hours of sleep now shouldn't be equal to 4 hours of sleeping when tapped later.

[Voidus]

Hmm, I dunno, the way I see it according to your interpretation, if you sleep 8 hours while filling your Bronzemind, you'd wake up just as tired as when you went to bed, because the benefits from sleeping went into the metalmind instead of being applied to you.

 

Though the Ars Arcanum does say that storing wakefulness makes you sleep longer in exchange for being able to stay awake at a later time. So instead of sleeping 8 hours for a full night's rest, filling your metalmind by 1/5 will make you sleep 10 hours, of which 2 end up in the Bronzemind.

 

What I'm wondering is what benefits (if any) compound tapping wakefulness would grant.

In other words, what would happen if you tap 8 hours worth of stored wakefulness in a single hour.

Is that even possible? would it just make you really hyper? Really alert? (Caffeinemind, anyone?)

On compound tapping it one possibility is to suddenly wake you up, tap all four hours at once and you'll feel like you just had four hours of sleep, tap it over four hours and you'll slowly get less and less tired but not all at once. Now as to what happens if you suddenly tap 100 hours worth I'm not sure.

[Kaymyth she/her]

Probably just as dangerous to compound sleep as it is to become a pewter savant. Stopping after a long time could kill you.

 

We know it's potentially dangerous to do any sort of long-term compounding and stop suddenly, but the actual effects are going to vary drastically by the metal.  Essentially, you get a form of compounding drag.

[Shardbearer he/him]

Ok, so sleep has many benefits. I wonder if tapping wakefulness gives you all those benefits, as if you really had slept, or if it just causes you to feel more awake.

[Plaeggs he/him]

I've always thought of it as when tapping, you enter a kind of "phantom sleep" where you are perfectly awake but still getting rest.

[Thermophile he/him]

It seems pretty clear to me. You store sleep, and when you tap it, it is exactly as if you slept.

 

However, if you hyper-compounded sleep for a long period of time (making you hyper-alert constantly), you would find youself groggy all the time if you suddenly stopped.