gold compounders and Radiation poisoning

[king of nowhere]

about gold and age, i already asked a similar question here

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4298-gold-compounding-and-aging/

 

i report the answer of some guy who either knew a lot about the cosmere, or was really good at sounding convincing

 

 

Forms, my dear friend. Forms. 
 
Also of note (as you note) is TLR aging; this despite not having any reason to think Atium-compounding couldn't keep him going forever, thinking of himself as a literal god, and having most of a planet's population going along with him. That's an even stronger "what now?" if there's nothing besides "perceptions" to govern healing.
 
Also, people not living past 40 in the good old days is a common misconception. You were usually good if you managed to live past childhood: it's just that that was a big if. So the average life expectancy was crazy low, despite the median being closer to "normal".
 
EDIT: Oops, I forgot just how much of a rabbit hole my framework is. Here's the passage that would most interest you:
 

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Basic Theory:

 

Based off of this, I would like to propose a more general theory as to the formation and nature of these Forms.

I believe that Forms are relatively free-floating Spiritual entities representing cultural and factual abstractions of various strengths, the creation and maintenance of which is determined by the perceptions of Cognitively active beings.

These Forms interact meaningfully with the rest of the Cosmere by providing "archetypes" for Cognitive aspects to look to and measure themselves against. An instance of this is the case of the window in TES that I just quoted. Another is TLR and Miles still aging despite being Gold compounders. (This following point is based on my thoughts on this thread):

A simple "how an object is viewed and how it views itself" definition of the Cognitive Realm does not satisfactorily explain why TLR and Miles still aged. Yes, perhaps they could each of been holding onto an "I'm really a human, and so I age" conception of themselves, but that doesn't ring true.

Miles certainly had some ego problems, and could have considered himself above such things. Perhaps he learned as a young man that all Gold twinborns still age, though, and so never considered eternal youth as a possibility.

TLR, though, is another case entirely. The entire population of a planet, even the rebels (around, 100 million, I think), saw him as immortal. Rashek himself most likely didn't have any reason to know that Atium couldn't do the trick forever: Feruchemists might well not have had access to it in classical Scadrial, and, even if they had, wouldn't have been able to get free Age from compounding. So Rashek-as-TLR would have been quite well within his rights to think that he would never have to actually age, and that Cognitive conception of himself would be buttressed by an entire planet's worth of agreement.

I think it's fair to say, then, that it's likely a more metaphysical "view," and a fairly robust one at that, that is at work here. TLR was perceived by most as an inherently immortal god, perhaps by everyone but himself as such, and yet the Human-Form's age-restriction was still present.

It follows, then, that Cognitive restrictions on fundamental things (such as what it is to be Human (to age, to be bipedal, etc.), to be a Window, etc.) are defined on a population, perhaps even Cosmere-wide level, and simply accessed by individuals, while more personal things such as individual state of health have a bit more freedom.

[Kurkistan he/him]

about gold and age, i already asked a similar question here

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/4298-gold-compounding-and-aging/

 

i report the answer of some guy who either knew a lot about the cosmere, or was really good at sounding convincing

 

Both, king, both. ()

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

It would be the something like Feruchemical gold on others (Internal Physical). It's pair would be Staballoy (depleted uranium with molybdenum) which would cause disease and sickness by touch. The complements would be molybdenum and MoW (molybdenum-tungsten alloy), which could do the same to yourself - causing a rather noted shortness in the lives of active MoW mistings. Also, the rub of Uranium being EXTERNAL physical means that, while burning it, you are getting radiation poisoning, and while you can heal others, it's killing you. Quickly burning it is advised. Uranium doctors are respected for their sacrifices, and as such only work on the most severe cases. A uranium user can charge another's Feruchemical gold extremely quickly. Allomantic chromium users are often used to "flush" the doctor immediately after they practice their craft.

Dang. Thats better than anything I could have come up with. Because I was trying to keep in mind keeping the metals somewhat related by mirroring eachother with a proper alloy. But as I said. This idea is better than anything I'd of thought of, lol.

[Swimmingly he/him]

Dang. Thats better than anything I could have come up with. Because I was trying to keep in mind keeping the metals somewhat related by mirroring eachother with a proper alloy. But as I said. This idea is better than anything I'd of thought of, lol.

If you've got any ideas for better alloys, sounds good - I find the whole "relation of alloys" thing a bit confusing, honestly

[name_here]

The specific alloy for a given metal seems to be more-or-less random, aside from having the element as the primary component. A number of them contain other Allomantic metals, but not all of them, and the ones that do don't seem to have any specific relation.

Edited December 2, 2013 by name_here

[Swimmingly he/him]

The specific alloy for a given metal seems to be more-or-less random, aside from having the element as the primary component. A number of them contain other Allomantic metals, but not all of them, and the ones that do don't seem to have any specific relation.

so you're saying uranium, staballoy, molybdenum, and molybdenum-tungsten would actually work - kind of?