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She makes a bit of a deal about the debt that she owes King Taravingion (even if he himself is seemingly unaware of the debt).  It's possible that one of the oaths of the order she falls under involves that very thing.

This is a very interesting proposition.... +1 for you.

If one of her 'ideals' revolves around repaying debts (or maybe restoring balance... or something) this could well tie in with her actions throughout the book.

One thing we can say for certain about Jasnah is that she is fair (almost to a fault).

1/ She recalls Shallan to the alcove to return her spheres.

2/ She helps out Taravangian with the fallen block to release his granddaughter

3/ She kills the thugs under the premise that it is some form of restorative justice and helps out the king

I realise that she could just be being nice, but remember Jasnah is an Alethi King's daughter. From what we have seen of other Alethi lighteyed ladies, they are not known for being half as reasonable as Jasnah Kholin.

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Actually police use the same methods to catch criminals all the time.  I believe the slang term is a "sting".  Set up the circumstances that seem tempting to a potential criminal and then arrest them.

 

Well, yes and no.  Stings are legal.  But "entrapment" is the term used to describe police pushing things just a bit too far when they set up their sting.  And that's illegal.  Sometimes there's a very fine line between the two.

 

Also, Jasnah's killing of the fleeing mugger would be illegal in most modern societies, as she was no longer in any immediate danger.

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It should be remembered that entrapment is when the police essentially encourage you to commit a crime that you would not have otherwise committed.  That is more than presenting an easy opportunity to commit a crime. 

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It should be remembered that entrapment is when the police essentially encourage you to commit a crime that you would not have otherwise committed.  That is more than presenting an easy opportunity to commit a crime. 

 

Sometimes there's a very fine line.  "Encouragement" can apparently sometimes (though not always - it might depend on the judge) be as little as offering to sell something to the suspect or asking the suspect if they can provide something.

 

In any event - getting away from the details of entrapment - the individual in question is often taken into account as well when the reader stumbles across a situation like this.  What gives Jasnah an out here is her proclaimed interest in finding wrongdoers to punish and her apparent desire to "repay" Taravangian, coupled with the fact that we have no reason to disbelieve her.  If Gaz were to engage in similar behaviour without stating his reason for doing so, we'd likely take a dimmer view of it because we'd be more suspicious of why he did it.

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Well, yes and no.  Stings are legal.  But "entrapment" is the term used to describe police pushing things just a bit too far when they set up their sting.  And that's illegal.  Sometimes there's a very fine line between the two.

 

Also, Jasnah's killing of the fleeing mugger would be illegal in most modern societies, as she was no longer in any immediate danger.

 

Even "Sting" are ilegal in some countries.  Here the police can't set a situation to attract crimanals, because if the person couldn't really commit the crime because everything was a trap (no real danger) no crime was commited. In my oppinion is silly without size but it's the law. 

 

What Jasnah did aren't worse than Kaladin or Dalinar killing Parshendis, in my oppinion the criminals deserved what they got much more then the parshendi boy that Dalinar killed. She my be harsh aor even cruel but teleologically she was right.

 

Just my oppinion =)

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