polkinghornbd he/him Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 So I was reading The Way of Kings for the 7th or 8th time, and in the prologue, Kalak doesn't want to go back because he will end up "Back to that place he dreaded. Back to that place of pain and fire." In the devotaries, they say the men who are the best at their Calling will help the Heralds take back the Tranquiline Halls in the afterlife. If the heralds are sent to a place like Hell in between Desolations, they would not be able to fight to take the Tranquiline Halls. Any thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I think it's been fairly well established that Vorinism is full of Chasmfiend Crap. Kalak's sent back to Braize to get tortured by Odium. We're not sure what the Tranquiline halls are, but don't trust what Vorinism considers them to be. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkinghornbd he/him Posted September 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Has it? sorry, I am VERY new to the forums here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Considering that the religion is partly founded on the fact that they won the Last Desolation (the Heralds blatantly lied), as well as things like the Radiants abandoning them (it's beginning to seem that it was important that they did), Jezrien being associated with the Stormfather (completely different beings), prophecy being of the Voidbringers (Truthwatchers can see into the future, or so it seems. And Honor/the Almighty himself breaks his own ban on prophecy in the visions), the silly eye-color thing that contradicts the Radiant issue completely, since their eyes are often described as light to the point of being almost white. Their god isn't even alive anymore. Vorinism is just a load of chull dung at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Vorinism has a few nuggets of truth buried in it, I think. The whole "Calling" thing strongly resembles Radiant oaths, and devoting yourself to the Callings might be a good way to get turned into a Radiant. So there's a historical basis for the tradition. Mankind on Roshar most likely did come from another planet. Vorinism might be wrong on calling it the Tranquiline Halls, but I don't think they're too far off on the travel thing. The "Double Eye of the Almighty" you see in a lot of Vorin things is literally the Surgebinding chart, so... A long time back, Vorin priests claimed to have "visions from the Almighty". The Sunmaker said there was no visions and killed them, but there's a ton of things to say that he's not exactly a trustworthy source on whether there were visions. We know there were visions from the Almighty in Dalinar's case, and the Death Rattles claim there were others with the same visions, so there's something there to suggest there were things up with the old Vorin church. Burning prayers and sending them to the Almighty might very well have some basis. Glyphs show up everywhere, to the point that Kaladin spontaneously creates them and old Radiant's Shardplate had them glowing over it. Damnation/Braize is mentioned in its mythology, and we know that planet exists. I don't think calling it a load of "chull dung" is entirely appropriate. Yes, the religion is wrong in broad strikes, but that ignores what things of value it has and gets right. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 Well, dung generally does contain a decent amount of nutrition for a few creatures. Makes good fertilizer I'm sure. Still has a lot of uselessness in it though. Maybe a little bit of trace crem. Some sorta-toxic nitrogen. The works. Perhaps 1 or two atoms of gold, who knows. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted September 21, 2015 Report Share Posted September 21, 2015 I know that I overgeneralized, Moogle. Just couldn't resist that awesome alliteration (see what I did there?). Perhaps a better comparison would be to The Onion. At face value, it's mostly incorrect. However, there is a foundation of truth that's present. You just generally have to read into it and discard some of the surface level information, which is often wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I know that I overgeneralized, Moogle. Just couldn't resist that awesome alliteration (see what I did there?). Perhaps a better comparison would be to The Onion. At face value, it's mostly incorrect. However, there is a foundation of truth that's present. You just generally have to read into it and discard some of the surface level information, which is often wrong. Well, the Onion is generally clever social commentary, wheras Vorinism is a confused mess of truths, half-truths, and straight-up delusions, but I agree inasmuch as you can't take anything in Vorinism at face value. I do wonder if there's a certain significance to concepts like the Tranquiline Halls- are they a reference to Honour's shardpool, or something equally cool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Star Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Well, the Onion is generally clever social commentary, wheras Vorinism is a confused mess of truths, half-truths, and straight-up delusions, but I agree inasmuch as you can't take anything in Vorinism at face value. I do wonder if there's a certain significance to concepts like the Tranquiline Halls- are they a reference to Honour's shardpool, or something equally cool? The Onion appears quite different when you don't get the joke. Vorinism is like reading The Onion and not realizing that it's satire. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren she/her Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 I do wonder if there's a certain significance to concepts like the Tranquiline Halls- are they a reference to Honour's shardpool, or something equally cool? We do know that Braize is what they call Damnation. There is a third inhabitable planet in the Rosharan system, and I like the theory that that planet is the the trainquiline halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 We do know that Braize is what they call Damnation. There is a third inhabitable planet in the Rosharan system, and I like the theory that that planet is the the trainquiline halls. I was thinking about Braize also being the Tranquiline Halls as well, as perhaps it started off pretty awesome before Odium invested himself in it, but I'm not 100% sure on that yet. It would fit with how confused Vorinism is that they have two names with seemingly opposite meanings that refer to the same place, but I feel like their theological mistakes haven't been quite that obvious yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Isn't the third planet Ashyn an inhabited minor shardworld though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Isn't the third planet Ashyn an inhabited minor shardworld though? Yes. Although if you've followed Writing Excuses and/or Brandon's blog, you know what his idea for the magic system on Ashyn is, (his book under the working title "The Silence Divine" will be set there) and it wouldn't fit very well with the Tranquiline halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Something something diseases, was it? Or was that a different minor world . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted September 23, 2015 Report Share Posted September 23, 2015 Possible Silence Divine spoiler... Yeah, sicknesses that give you magical powers. So you have to incubate the sickness to gain or keep the magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa he/him Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 I mean, "Tranquiline Halls" could be a poetic name for a hospital, but this does not seem to be the Idea behind it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted September 26, 2015 Report Share Posted September 26, 2015 IIIRC, one of the main theoies was that Braize was originally the Tranquiline Halls until Odium turfed everyone out and then Roshar became the middle battleground for everything, so this became twisted through history by the fallout of repeated Desolations...as THS said ^^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 IIIRC, one of the main theoies was that Braize was originally the Tranquiline Halls until Odium turfed everyone out and then Roshar became the middle battleground for everything, so this became twisted through history by the fallout of repeated Desolations...as THS said ^^ It's certainly possible that Braize or an area on Braize is what's being referred to when Vorinism talks about the Tranquilline Halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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