Ari Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 It's an old one. I stubble on it by accident. I had completely forgotten about it. Nice to have it confirmed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiManiak Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Just a quick one... Stumble on an old one today... It is appropriate to this thread. Q: Is The Lopen going to become an Edgedancer? A: The Lopen is currently a squire for the Windrunners, but I got a second RAFO about his future status. I don't remember this WoB at all. Where did you stumble on it from? I didn't find it in Theoryland. Could you please provide your source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I don't remember this WoB at all. Where did you stumble on it from? I didn't find it in Theoryland. Could you please provide your source? Most WoB aren't on Theoryland... That one comes from the Tor.com re-read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiManiak Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Most WoB aren't on Theoryland... That one comes from the Tor.com re-read. Where on the Tor.com reread exactly? The reference that I see in the 10/8/15 reread (post #141, I believe) has grouped this quote in with the recent quotes from the 10/12/15 Oak Brook Signing, but the transcript that Argent and others are working on does not have any mention of Lopen being a squire or not (although I admit I have not checked the audio). You state that you "stumbled on an old one" here. Can you please provide your older source? I don't remember this from an old Tor.com WoB that clarified that, but I admit I could have forgotten it. Since this is a topic being discussed on multiple forums it would help to be as clear as possible on this. Thanks. Edited October 18, 2015 by KiManiak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Where on the Tor.com reread exactly? The reference that I see in the 10/8/15 reread (post #141, I believe) has grouped this quote in with the recent quotes from the 10/12/15 Oak Brook Signing, but the transcript that Argent and others are working on does not have any mention of Lopen being a squire or not (although I admit I have not checked the audio). You state that you "stumbled on an old one" here. Can you please provide your older source? I don't remember this from an old Tor.com WoB that clarified that, but I admit I could have forgotten it. Since this is a topic being discussed on multiple forums it would help to be as clear as possible on this. Thanks. http://www.tor.com/2014/03/04/book-review-words-of-radiance-spoiler-brandon-sanderson/#comment-497145 Post 510. That's where it comes from. Have going through the 1200 comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiManiak Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://www.tor.com/2014/03/04/book-review-words-of-radiance-spoiler-brandon-sanderson/#comment-497145 Post 510. That's where it comes from. Have going through the 1200 comments Ah, you meant the Tor.com WoR Spoiler Review. Thanks for the citation. Looks like the poster got this info from the WoR Lexington signing, and it was not listed on the 17th Shard Lexington signing page or the Theoryland one. Good to know and your citation of the origin of the information is quite helpful. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxal Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Ah, you meant the Tor.com WoR Spoiler Review. Thanks for the citation. Looks like the poster got this info from the WoR Lexington signing, and it was not listed on the 17th Shard Lexington signing page or the Theoryland one. Good to know and your citation of the origin of the information is quite helpful. Yeah well many WoB don't end up on Theoryland... It is hard to keep track of these obscure ones and I had forgotten about that one until recently. I thus settles the discussion: Lopen currently is a Windrunner squire, but he may become more, eventually. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted October 31, 2015 Report Share Posted October 31, 2015 (edited) If he is a surgebinder he is from the 9th order. Explenation coming when i get to a computer.EDIT: So the reason is found in the Ars Arcanum.The number 9 and therefore the 9th order are asociated with dependability and resorcfulnes. Who can get almost anything through his extensive network of cousins. Lopen. I am fairly sure thats resorcefulness. And you dont entrust a king to someone who isn't dependable.Btw. Lopen probably won't become a radiant until he breaks. From a citation that will be coming shortly it seems radiants snap like mistborn or mistings do. All radiants so far have also been broken once. Dalinar was betrayed by sadeas before he became a radiant. Kaladin saw tien die begore syl showed up. Shallan had a very rough childhood. Girl-with-winged-cremling-I-forgot-the-name-of fell from a huge height and also had huge emotional stress from thinking her babsk would die(kind of a stretch in this case). Thief girl is a thief and seemingly an orphan so she has propably had some stressfull moments. Ym was an urchin and also there was that kill someone part so that could be it. Lopen in his one chapter and while he was a bridgeburner seemed fine. But he may be surpresing his emotions like Shallan was. But the memories would be diferent because his family seems okay unlike Shallans.EDIT2: http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-stormlight-archive/words-of-radiance/It is the nature of the magic. A broken soul has cracks into which something else can be fit. Surgebindings, the powers of creation themselves. They can brace a broken soul; but they can also widen its fissures.This is the citation with a link for verification. It is from the back cover of WoR so it is quite cannon i think Edited October 31, 2015 by Moogle Please don't triple(!) post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Please excuse some grammar errors the text is readable and that's what matters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dalinar was already broken before the betrayal, FYI, as the hints he's a proto-radiant have been around from before Sadeas proved himself an irredeemably nauseating traitor. I expect we'll find out more when we see more of his flashbacks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted November 1, 2015 Report Share Posted November 1, 2015 Dalinar was already broken before the betrayal, FYI, as the hints he's a proto-radiant have been around from before Sadeas proved himself an irredeemably nauseating traitor. I expect we'll find out more when we see more of his flashbacks. Yeah he was probably a proto-Radiant of some degree from the First Vision. I don't think that the Stormfather may send the vision to anybody without some kind of bond. @Dayblood: There is a WoB about Lopen and his condition. He is a Windrunner's Squire like other member of the Bridge4. For the future the things may change, but at the moment is not a Surgebinder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadmium Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 Lopen in his one chapter and while he was a bridgeburner seemed fine. But he may be surpresing his emotions like Shallan was. But the memories would be diferent because his family seems okay unlike Shallans. EDIT2: http://brandonsanderson.com/books/the-stormlight-archive/words-of-radiance/ It is the nature of the magic. A broken soul has cracks into which something else can be fit. Surgebindings, the powers of creation themselves. They can brace a broken soul; but they can also widen its fissures. This is the citation with a link for verification. It is from the back cover of WoR so it is quite cannon i think If you're looking for where Lopen could have Broken, don't overlook the fact that once upon a time someone CUT OFF HIS FREAKING ARM. I've never lost an arm, but I assume that could be traumatic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charononus Posted November 4, 2015 Report Share Posted November 4, 2015 If you're looking for where Lopen could have Broken, don't overlook the fact that once upon a time someone CUT OFF HIS FREAKING ARM. I've never lost an arm, but I assume that could be traumatic. Different type of traumatic. I'm not an amputee but I have severe nerve damage in one of my legs that makes it.... less than useful. The breaking is different. Physical loss is easier to mend. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemci Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 It's fair that the loss of his arm probably broke Lopen, but he's never been anything but cheerful; he's the funniest guy around, according to The Lopen (debatable). We've had no evidence of genuinely psychological and mental traume in Lopen. Plus, Lopen is in fact getting his arm back, so we might have to see if the return of his arm changes his outlook somewhat - his humour and personality have been based to a large extent on him having one arm, so being able to use Stormlight and essentially become a whole Lopen again is certainly a shift. Interestingly, are characters required to break to become a Surgebinder, or are they required to break to become a Squire? They can draw in and hold Stormlight, does that come entirely from Kaladin or is some capacity needed from the would-be Squire? Is a traumatic experience associated with a 'break' in SA what essentially qualifies people for Surgebinders? We know nothing of the past experiences of many other bridgemen (the experiences on the Shattered Plains could qualify for all of them, but then I think what we might end up with is thousands and thousands of would-be Surgebinders or at least Squires). Teft could reasonably have had a traumatic experience when he watched his mother get executed (I might be confusing his father and mother, Teft was present for the carrying out of the death sentence of one of his parents, not both), but we have virtually no information on what other bridgemen have been through. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Interestingly, are characters required to break to become a Surgebinder, or are they required to break to become a Squire? They can draw in and hold Stormlight, does that come entirely from Kaladin or is some capacity needed from the would-be Squire? Is a traumatic experience associated with a 'break' in SA what essentially qualifies people for Surgebinders? We know nothing of the past experiences of many other bridgemen (the experiences on the Shattered Plains could qualify for all of them, but then I think what we might end up with is thousands and thousands of would-be Surgebinders or at least Squires). Teft could reasonably have had a traumatic experience when he watched his mother get executed (I might be confusing his father and mother, Teft was present for the carrying out of the death sentence of one of his parents, not both), but we have virtually no information on what other bridgemen have been through.We know that rock's (insert the name for horneater lord) who was his family went down from the peaks and then died. Rock was so angry he risked his life by cooking chull dung for Sadeas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoodedHero007 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I would not be surprised if lopen was a willshaper, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 I would not be surprised if lopen was a willshaper, though Do you mind sharing some reasons for such an asumption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoxicalZen Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I think whatever the order/squire he should be, if there is an adaptation, either live-action or animated, the person to play/voice him should be Michael Pena 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) I agree with hooded. My reasoning being that the lopen has proven that he can basically find/obtain almost anything needed through his "cousins." to me this sounds like an accurate depiction of a "willshaper" i think he will obtain a bond/spren which he will name cousin Edited December 18, 2015 by stonedshaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 He is probably a squire at this point, but I think it's possible that he will become a Willshaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 At the moment Lopen is "just" a Kaladin's squire (we have a WoB about), If in his future there may be Radiancy I don't know but I find it unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes i am aware of this. Im just saying that i think the lopen is more willshaper than windrunner. Also Yata is your name a reference to the japanese boy band of the same name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Yes i am aware of this. Im just saying that i think the lopen is more willshaper than windrunner. Also Yata is your name a reference to the japanese boy band of the same name? O.O No I don't even know them .... I am afraid to discover who they are. Anyway returning to the Knigh Radiant and The Lopen. We don't know if being a Squire has some relationship with the Order or just a "strong bond" with the Knight Radiant. What I want to say is that we don't know if a Windrunner's squire has to be different from a Dustbringer's Squire". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Aaaaawh i see what you're saying. And yes be afraid lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 I agree with hooded. My reasoning being that the lopen has proven that he can basically find/obtain almost anything needed through his "cousins." to me this sounds like an accurate depiction of a "willshaper" i think he will obtain a bond/spren which he will name cousin If this is the reason why can't he be a Lightweaver instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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