Shaidar Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Lord Ruler vs. Advanced Marsh Who wins? I remember an old thread here where there was a general consensus that a Hemallurgic Super Soldier beats an Original Allomancer and a Full Feruchemist. I think it would be a draw, with neither being able to kill the other. While both have mind-blowing strength, they also have tons of HP and almost instantaneous healing. Unless one of them gets extremely lucky - that is, either Marsh managing to pull off both the Lord Ruler's atium-mind bracelets at the same time, or the Lord Ruler managing to yank the critical spike from Marsh's back - they can keep going at each other for hours or even days. Lord Ruler vs. Sauron Really hard to say. Sauron is a demi-god, while the Lord Ruler is just a man with a lot of clever knacks. Then again, so what? The LR has some crazy skills and unlike the Dark Lord, he can see into the future with atium. Not knowing the detailed mechanics of the LotR magic system, I will bet on the LR here. Lord Ruler vs. Rand al'Thor I think the Dragon wins this one. While the LR has amazingly rapid reactions, all Rand needs to do - pretty much - is bind him with Air and balefire him. I don't think the LR will be able to withstand balefire. Nor do I think atium can predict balefire because of the latter's time-paradoxical effects. You with any modern assault rifle vs. koloss I'd imagine with a fair bit of distance between them and myself, I would be able to down perhaps 5-10 of them with short controlled bursts before they got onto me and ripped me to shreds. Ham vs. Lan Oldie but goodie. But I think definitely Ham. Average Koloss vs. Trolloc I think koloss comes out ahead. Trollocs are described as formidable enemies in the WoT, but in practice, they die by the horde, like flies. A single blademaster can (supposedly) take dozens of them. Average soldier w/ atium vs. Myrddraal I'll give the edge to the soldier. Though the fact that Fades are not "fully in phase with reality" may mean that atium won't work very well against them. In that case, the Fade can be expected to win. Lord Ruler vs. Darth Vader Lord Ruler of course. Is that even a contest? What do you think? Feel free to come up with additional scenarios of your own.
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Which Sauron are you talking? Regardless, I think he takes it. Sauron offers an alternative to Ruin, and he's /very/ good at playing the long game. Especially with people who are obsessed with immortality - Sauron went from 'high security prisoner' to 'personal adviser to the king and policy maker' in a few decades.
WeiryWriter he/him Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Which Sauron are you talking? Regardless, I think he takes it. Sauron offers an alternative to Ruin, and he's /very/ good at playing the long game. Especially with people who are obsessed with immortality - Sauron went from 'high security prisoner' to 'personal adviser to the king and policy maker' in a few decades. Not to mention he is one of the Maiar, a lesser angelic being, and so existed before the universe was created...
Voidus Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Sorry Ham but I think Lan takes that one, Lan is too epic to die even from our favourite pewterarm.TLR vs. Vader would actually be pretty interesting, both have slightly limited future-sight, some ranged attacks, etc. I think it would be pretty interesting actually.
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) Not to mention he is one of the Maiar, a lesser angelic being, and so existed before the universe was created...I'm assuming Fellowship Sauron with his Ring lost somewhere, since that's the only one that doesn't immediately curbstomp the Lord Ruler. Edited April 28, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity
WeiryWriter he/him Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 I'm assuming Fellowship Sauron with his Ring lost somewhere, since that's the only one that doesn't immediately curbstomp the Lord Ruler. Is there another Sauron that I am unaware of?
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Is there another Sauron that I am unaware of?Silmarillion Sauron? Sauron-with-ring?
WeiryWriter he/him Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Silmarillion Sauron? Sauron-with-ring? Those are the same Sauron, just at different points in his timeline
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Those are the same Sauron, just at different points in his timelineYes, but which point in his timeline wasn't specified, and Sauron changes so significantly in terms of abilities, power level, et cetera that you have to treat it seperately. Post-Return of the King Sauron, for example, is basically a tiny ghost with virtually no power at all.
Morsk he/him Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Vader would convert TLR to the Dark Side. So Vader wins. (I sometimes dread the third Mistborn trilogy being a Star Wars parody, with the Dark and Light Side of Harmony. I know Brandon won't do it, but I still dread it...)
Shaidar Posted April 28, 2013 Author Posted April 28, 2013 Which Sauron are you talking? For the sake of argument, the Sauron we all know best: The Big Bad in LotR (before the Ring's destruction of course). That said, I think LR will curbstomp both that Sauron, and the one at the end of the Second Age. Now Morgoth will be a challenge and probably will defeat the LR. Not to mention he is one of the Maiar, a lesser angelic being, and so existed before the universe was created... And? Balrogs are Maiar, and there were magic-less warriors who could kill them. Sorry Ham but I think Lan takes that one, Lan is too epic to die even from our favourite pewterarm. Well, only if Lan has the Dark One's own lucky. As he does (Demandred). But objectively speaking, I don't see how even being the world's best swordsman could be superior to having pewter, which basically makes you twice as strong and twice as fast. TLR vs. Vader would actually be pretty interesting, both have slightly limited future-sight, some ranged attacks, etc. I think it would be pretty interesting actually. They both have future sight, yes. But the LR has far greater recovery ability. Probably the only way for Darth Vader to have any chance whatsoever would be for them to start the fight right next to each other. Then DV might draw out his lightsaber and slice the LR into salami before he could react. At any distance, LR surely wins. Vader would convert TLR to the Dark Side. So Vader wins. (I sometimes dread the third Mistborn trilogy being a Star Wars parody, with the Dark and Light Side of Harmony. I know Brandon won't do it, but I still dread it...) *shudders*
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 (edited) And? Balrogs are Maiar, and there were magic-less warriors who could kill them.Really? Who? Keep in mind that all high elves have extremely powerful spirits and can do magical stuff without even trying - they're only nonmagical insofar as they don't consider things like 'seeing the future in a scrying pool' to be 'magic', and find the idea of separating that type of thing out silly. As is, the Lord Ruler has hemalurgy-created holes in any of his mental defenses, and Sauron is *very* good at putting the mindwhammy on people. Edited April 28, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity
Voidus Posted April 28, 2013 Posted April 28, 2013 Enhanced Strength and Speed vs. far superior skill aren't particularly great balancers, Lan dispatched plenty of stronger (Trollocs) and faster (Fades) opponents, Ham is great and all but against one of the worlds greatest blademasters he doesn't have much of a chance.Yes TLR has greater regen abilities but a lightsaber counters that pretty well with its ease of decapitation, in range they'd be pretty balanced as well, TLR strength in pushes and pulls is probably better than what Vader could cook up but the force works on anything and doesn't need straight lines to hit
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