Wolven he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I know in Alloy of Law that it is said atium is a lost metal, which makes sense considering atium was Ruin's body. He died, the atium was all used up, Marsh had the only atium left in the world. It still seems odd to me that Bloody Tan was able to pull Lessie so perfectly into the path of Wax's shot. I suppose it could have been luck or he was just reading Wax so well that he could tell when Wax would take that shot. I can't help but think that it's possible he was an atium misting that somehow got a hold of it. I also realize this has probably been debated plenty on here as well, lol. 3
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 (edited) There's a WoB explicitly stating he did not use Atium #10: http://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt='atium' Interview: Nov 14th, 2011 Twitter Tor Chat (Cosmere) (Verbatim) ateistcanuck (14 November 2011)Was Bloody Tan an atium misting? Brandon Sanderson (14 November 2011)No, he was not. Good question Edited June 20, 2015 by LabRat
Wolven he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Author Posted June 20, 2015 Well drat. Guess he was just really good at reading people then.
Guest Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I've seen a Theory that Bloody Tan was guided by Harmony to get Wax to return to Elendel. I don't agree with it, but it is something worth considering.
Wolven he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Author Posted June 20, 2015 I've seen a Theory that Bloody Tan was guided by Harmony to get Wax to return to Elendel. I don't agree with it, but it is something worth considering. Can't say I agree with it either. Can't see Sazed/Harmony operating that way.
Adamir he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I always thought Tan was a brass and steel Ferring, by use of Hemalurgy (I remember some mention of spikes in the prologue). I thought he tapped mental speed and physical speed to move Lessie into the path of the bullet - because let me remind you, we are talking about Waxilliam Ladrian, who got into a gunfight with thirty bandits in a crowded ballroom, and caused absolutely no collateral damage. That is absurdly good aiming; Wax wouldn't have missed against a normal opponent. He wouldn't have hit Lessie. He would have splattered Tan over the back wall, then walked away while making a quip about dry cleaning bills and pieces of brain on Lessie. Or perhaps that's just the denial I feel every time someone dies in a Sanderson book (Alloy of Law is non-canon, Vin and Elend are still alive... they are still alive... they are still alive... they are still alive...) 4
Patar he/him Posted June 20, 2015 Posted June 20, 2015 I saw another theory that said Bloody Tan was a Slider, which would allow him to slow down time outside of his bubble and see where the bullet was going. 1
Moogle Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 I've always been big on the theory about Tan being an Electrum Misting. I have a thing for Allomantic electrum. 1
Wolven he/him Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 (edited) I always thought Tan was a brass and steel Ferring, by use of Hemalurgy (I remember some mention of spikes in the prologue). I thought he tapped mental speed and physical speed to move Lessie into the path of the bullet - because let me remind you, we are talking about Waxilliam Ladrian, who got into a gunfight with thirty bandits in a crowded ballroom, and caused absolutely no collateral damage. That is absurdly good aiming; Wax wouldn't have missed against a normal opponent. He wouldn't have hit Lessie. He would have splattered Tan over the back wall, then walked away while making a quip about dry cleaning bills and pieces of brain on Lessie. Or perhaps that's just the denial I feel every time someone dies in a Sanderson book (Alloy of Law is non-canon, Vin and Elend are still alive... they are still alive... they are still alive... they are still alive...) That seems like it could be possible. I mean, it seems to me that the guy had to have some kind of power to pull off what he did. And I feel your pain on the deaths, lol. The first time I finished Hero of Ages I didn't like the ending with Sazed becoming Harmony as much as I should have because of Vin and Elend dying. Second time though I was able to appreciate it much more. I've always been big on the theory about Tan being an Electrum Misting. I have a thing for Allomantic electrum. Wouldn't Wax have seen his Electrum shadows though if he was? Because Electrum was the metal that one could use to fight Atium if one did not have it. I remember Elend burning Electrum against Yomen. Edited June 21, 2015 by Moogle Please don't double post! Use the edit button instead.
Moogle Posted June 21, 2015 Posted June 21, 2015 Wouldn't Wax have seen his Electrum shadows though if he was? Because Electrum was the metal that one could use to fight Atium if one did not have it. I remember Elend burning Electrum against Yomen. Other people don't see your shadows. Only you do. The reason electrum is a counter to atium is the same reason that atium is a counter to atium, in that it makes the possible futures branch and split too much. 4
Wolven he/him Posted June 21, 2015 Author Posted June 21, 2015 Other people don't see your shadows. Only you do. The reason electrum is a counter to atium is the same reason that atium is a counter to atium, in that it makes the possible futures branch and split too much. Ahhh, so by seeing the possible things that you yourself are gonna do, hence potentially seeing your own death, it changes what you are gonna do and so affects what an atium burner sees.
Oudeis he/him Posted June 23, 2015 Posted June 23, 2015 Wax has known Wayne long enough to recognize both the interface, and the faster-than-a-bullet motions of someone in a time bubble. 2
derioderio Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Technically, the WoB was that Bloody Tan wasn't an atium misting, that's all. It's still possible that that Bloody Tan gained the ability to burn atium through Hemalurgy, which considering the state of the people he had killed and his obvious insane state, is very plausible, I think. If so, he would have had only a sliver of atium, just enough to know how to move Lessie's head to intercept the bullet. He then didn't have enough to prevent himself from being shot. Or alternatively, he chose not to dodge the bullet to his own head, in order to complete his "art". 2
Lazarus52980 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) Well, after reading chapter 2 of the new mistborn book, it appears that Bloody Tan is still alive... Since it was established that Wax shot him in the head, do we need to assume that he is either a gold ferring, or has a spike to give him that power? Is there any other way he could still be alive? Edited July 1, 2015 by WeiryWriter
Lazarus52980 Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I intentionally looked for a "spoilers" button when I made my post, but we didn't seem to have one...Did I just miss it?
natc Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 (edited) [ spoiler ] Remove spaces between brackets [/ spoiler ] Just do it manually. Weiry ninjas me. Edited July 1, 2015 by natc 2
WeiryWriter he/him Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I intentionally looked for a "spoilers" button when I made my post, but we didn't seem to have one...Did I just miss it? you can either put <spoiler></spoiler> around the text in question (just replace the <angle brackets> with [square ones]). Otherwise you can go to the special BBCode button (just to the left of the font selection), spoilers is an option there. IIRC the new version of the site will have a spoiler button on the main toolbar though. On a side note, that chapter that was posted today had an earlier draft that was posted during the 2013 Steelhunt, so the fact you bring up is something people have discussed before. Also keep in mind that things may not be as certain as you state. After all it could be kandra. 1
Moogle Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 Technically, the WoB was that Bloody Tan wasn't an atium misting, that's all. It's still possible that that Bloody Tan gained the ability to burn atium through Hemalurgy, which considering the state of the people he had killed and his obvious insane state, is very plausible, I think. I would still call someone who gained an Allomantic power through Hemalurgy a Misting, personally. This is perhaps just a semantics argument, but I don't know what else you'd call such a person.
ljósmóður she/her Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I would still call someone who gained an Allomantic power through Hemalurgy a Misting, personally. This is perhaps just a semantics argument, but I don't know what else you'd call such a person. A Hemling? A Lurgling? Maybe not. 1
Guest Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 I would still call someone who gained an Allomantic power through Hemalurgy a Misting, personally. This is perhaps just a semantics argument, but I don't know what else you'd call such a person. I agree that they'd be called a Misting, but just for fun I have a few suggestions: Spikling Bloodling Pincushion (if they had 3 or more Spikes)
Adamir he/him Posted July 1, 2015 Posted July 1, 2015 How exactly would he have spiked someone for it, though? From my understanding, Sazed reverted the Metallic Arts to their original forms, meaning that there were no more Atium mistings instead, we had Chronium and Bendalloy Mistings.
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