Mailliw73 he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Whew, sure glad I didn't lose that post. Probably should have written it in a word document, but I was on a roll. I'd like a short break (just a day or two), and then I'll post again to begin Day 2. I can't believe we've completed Day 1 already! I hope everyone else had as much fun as I did. Is it bad that I kind of enjoy putting my characters through awful situations? I really enjoyed that post. We saw both Euphoria and Insight at their worst. Edge brings up a good point that even I didn't think of. Hypno would probably be surprised to see Ogress die so quickly and then he couldn't hypnotize Insight, he has to see him for that, but Commands should work. How detached is Insight's bubble from the real world? Can I get his powerset again?
Voidus Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Thought I'd mention here that Peter's confirmed that Calmity is getting a February 16th release 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Thought I'd mention here that Peter's confirmed that Calmity is getting a February 16th release We should celebrate this! Alright guys, get out your party games like stab the Nighthound, an McMuffin eating contest and put glitter on the meanieface (I'm looking at you Lightwards ). 2
Voidus Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 We should celebrate this! Alright guys, get out your party games like stab the Nighthound, an McMuffin eating contest and put glitter on the meanieface (I'm looking at you Lightwards ). So basically business as usual? 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 So basically business as usual? I was hoping for a bit more fanfare or at least getting a certain flavor to the jokes.
Kobold King he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 I was hoping for a bit more fanfare or at least getting a certain flavor to the jokes. Well, it's the 4th of July here in 'Murica. Anyone up for strapping Nighthound to a rocket and letting go out in a blaze of fireworks? 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 I was hoping for a bit more fanfare or at least getting a certain flavor to the jokes. You mean like this? 3
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Well, it's the 4th of July here in 'Murica. Anyone up for strapping Nighthound to a rocket and letting go out in a blaze of fireworks? Right, tha's a holiday over with you guys, isn't it. Sure exploding Nighthound always sounds nice. You mean like this? Perfect! Now we only need to work on Obliteration trying to bond with his new daughter at the McMuffing eating competition. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Perfect! Now we only need to work on Obliteration trying to bond with his new daughter at the McMuffing eating competition. And behold, the Dancer of Edges requested father-daughter bonding, and the King of the Kobolds giveth. 4
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 And behold, the Dancer of Edges requested father-daughter bonding, and the King of the Kobolds giveth. While his methods are a bit extreme, I can see Obliteration's point here. There's a reason I only buy all-natural kosher hot dogs. The motto "No Ifs, Ands, or Butts" is comforting when it's a hot dog you're talking about. 2
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 And behold, the Dancer of Edges requested father-daughter bonding, and the King of the Kobolds giveth. My Sam's really giving old paps trouble isn't she. He didn't even grill burgers on his bare abs or cuddle with her mother in puplic under the pretense of keeping her cool in the hot summer sun and yet she won't come out of her rebel phase. Youth 2
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 My Sam's really giving old paps trouble isn't she. He didn't even grill burgers on his bare abs or cuddle with her mother in puplic under the pretense of keeping her cool in the hot summer sun and yet she won't come out of her rebel phase. Youth Do I want to see this….or don't I? Would it make me laugh….or fry my eyeballs? Would I cherish the memory forever….or immediately wish for a Memory Charm? I need to think on these questions. 4
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Do I want to see this….or don't I? Would it make me laugh….or fry my eyeballs? Would I cherish the memory forever….or immediately wish for a Memory Charm? I need to think on these questions. And thus a new WHOOC was born. 2
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 And thus a new WHOOC was born. Perhaps. I'm kind of scared, though.
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Perhaps. I'm kind of scared, though. Just think about that sizzling meat and the grease running down his body... where was I? Maybe it would be safer not to let Obliteration be the grill-master, now who else do we know who can work a grill...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 Just think about that sizzling meat and the grease running down his body... where was I? Maybe it would be safer not to let Obliteration be the grill-master, now who else do we know who can work a grill... Sam's reaction: 2
Comatose he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Insight [WIP] Powers: Incorporealilty - Insight can become incorporeal at will. Like all incorporeals, he can levitate and fly at a moderate speed. Immateriality - Insight can also make himself completely incapable of being perceived (seen, touched, heard, smelled, etc.) He is also able to use this power on others, but must become fully corporeal before transferring someone into an 'immaterial' state. Becoming immaterial lessens a person's connection with the world, muffling sound and making it difficult to see colours. He can use this power offensively by shifting an item, and then moving it through someone, and then shifting back into the physical plane. While Immaterial, Epics can use their powers to affect others who are immaterial, but those powers have no effect on Incorporeals or those who are fully manifested on the physical plane. Immaterial Time Manipulation - Insight can affect how he perceives time while iimmaterial, and can speed himself up or slow himself down in relation to others. Memory Viewing - While immaterial, Insight can view his own memories, or the memories of others who he has made immaterial. To Insight, the memories appear to hover around people, with positive memories appearing more vibrant and negative ones appearing dingy or dark. If Insight focuses on a particular memory, he can force both himself and the owner of the memory to relive it as a vision, from the owner's point of view. He can use this power to view memories that have been repressed, and the memory he views will be closer to the truth than what the person actually recalls, but memories that have been altered or lost entirely will remain so. This is his updated powerset, for reference. I'm not really sure if it makes sense in this case for him to be completely immune. It works by sound, which still reaches him and effects his mind, which isn't actually that detached from "reality" gven he can still make conclusions like "That is the Iron Ogress, she's being influenced to talk, I don't want her to talk to these people or mess with them or whatever my motives are, I have to stop her, for that i need her weakness which is..." and so on. I could see a bit of extra resistance but not enough to keep him from being slaughtered by the asortment of Epics there, who would have had enough time to react given the advance notice from the command. As for targetng him, if that would work is for Mailliw to decide I agree, but from what Hypno has heard about him the logical conclusion would be he's invisible, even if that's not completely accurate, so I don't think there should be anything stopping him from just aiming his powers at where he used to be. Otherwise, it's pretty clear that he still has something in mind, if not why bother using her weakness, and saying something like "Insight, stop using your powers" literally only takes a second. And another thing, how does Euphoria know what her weakness is during her own rending, because I'm pretty sure Epics aren't supppossed to just kow that from what we've been told? I was working off of the lessening of his connection to the physical plane bit, thinking that since sound was muffled and difficult to hear, perhaps the commands wouldn't function as well? You'll notice that Insight actually takes a while to kill the Iron Ogress, despite the fact that she already gave away quite a bit about him. I was chalking that up to him taking a few moments in real time to understand what was going on, because of his lack of connection to the physical plane. As for Euphoria's weakness, I thought all epics instinctually knew their weaknesses. How else would Steelheart know to avoid people who did not fear him? David was only able to work it out with help from Steelheart's behaviour (the propoganda, etc), which were all responses to the weakness. Since it would have been rare for Steelheart's weakness to manifest from the beginning (who wasn't afraid of that guy), it seems illogical for him to have been able to figure out his weakness. I also thought Megan mentioned something about Epics "just knowing" their weaknesses, but I don't have my book on me right now to look it up. I really enjoyed that post. We saw both Euphoria and Insight at their worst. Edge brings up a good point that even I didn't think of. Hypno would probably be surprised to see Ogress die so quickly and then he couldn't hypnotize Insight, he has to see him for that, but Commands should work. How detached is Insight's bubble from the real world? Can I get his powerset again? Glad you enjoyed it, seeing both characters at their worst was the goal, so glad I succeeded. I included the powerset above for reference, it might have changed since you saw it last (I can't remember if you were around when I made my last edit). I broke the cognitive space power into separate powers, after rereading bits about Nightwielder in Steelheart, and how incorporeality works, and because of there being less unique powers than we originally thought. Instead of one super unique power, I decided it would be better to have several less unique powers. What is all required for Commands to work? Do they work as long as an epic is in earshot? Insight only appears (1) for the amount of time it takes to drop the flower, and (2) for the amount of time it takes to move the sticks through the Iron Ogress's body. It reads as longer because of the description, but I really only intended it to be two quick flashes. Then after, once he's immaterial Insight can slow down or speed up his time relative to the others on the physical plane, so it shouldn't be too hard for him to escape. If he sped himself up as soon as he killed the Iron Ogress, he could get away before Hypno got a word out (when do commands take effect exactly?) Anyways, if you want to have Hypno try to command Insight, I can edit my post and split it into two. I can also have the Insight/Euphoria scene take place farther away. Euphoria says she watches the crowd disperse, but not from where, so maybe they floated up high, out of earshot (especially since sound from the physical plane would be muffled and difficult to hear to begin with, so the distance wouldn't have to be as great). Then I could have them float lower once the group has left, perhaps during the memory viewing. So yeah, if you want to add a Hypno post in, I'll just edit out the Euphoria/Insight scene, then you can post, and then I'll repost the Euphoria/Insight scene with some adjustments. I think that answers everything. Edge, I'll try to find that reference I'm remembering, and see if it exists. Let me know if you find something that indicates the contrary. What does everyone else remember? EDIT: Also, before I forget, Happy Independence Day to my southern neighbours!
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 As for Euphoria's weakness, I thought all epics instinctually knew their weaknesses. How else would Steelheart know to avoid people who did not fear him? David was only able to work it out with help from Steelheart's behaviour (the propoganda, etc), which were all responses to the weakness. Since it would have been rare for Steelheart's weakness to manifest from the beginning (who wasn't afraid of that guy), it seems illogical for him to have been able to figure out his weakness. I also thought Megan mentioned something about Epics "just knowing" their weaknesses, but I don't have my book on me right now to look it up. I thought that was more due to the fact that it's what they fear most, and so avoid it. Steelheart knew he didn't want to be around people who didn't fear him, but he was still surprised when David's father was able to wound him. He feared it, but he didn't immediately connect it with power loss. My assumption was that an Epic confronted with their weakness might lash out, go into a panic attack, or both, but probably wouldn't think "Oh crap, this is my weakness" unless they'd encountered it—and lost their powers to it—beforehand.
Comatose he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 I thought he was surprised because David's father didn't fear him, and that he was able to trigger his weakness, rather than the existence of the weakness. When you are Steelheart, with his weakness being what it is, I think the fact that it is triggered is still pretty surprising, even if you know exactly what your weakness is. Firefight Spoilers: "There, fire is my power. Using him as my cover was perfect; nobody would use fire to try to kill me if they thought my powers were fire-based, right? But by the light of a natural fire, the shadows I summon break apart and vanish. I know, somehow, that if I die in a fire I won't reincarnate." "I don't know how this works, David. Any of it. It frightens me sometimes. But fire is my weakness." There's the quote I was thinking of. Not nearly as conclusive as I remember it, but Megan does say that there are aspects of her weakness she just seems to understand, without having them proven, and she doesn't know how she knows. The second quote isn't much of support, but I liked how it displayed just how certain Megan is about her weakness, despite being uncertain about how it works exactly. Again, if people disagree, or have contrary evidence, I'm willing to change my post, but this is where I got the idea that Epics automatically know their weakness. Honestly, I just assumed everyone was on the same page about that, and didn't realized things weren't as certain as I thought.
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 This is his updated powerset, for reference. I was working off of the lessening of his connection to the physical plane bit, thinking that since sound was muffled and difficult to hear, perhaps the commands wouldn't function as well? You'll notice that Insight actually takes a while to kill the Iron Ogress, despite the fact that she already gave away quite a bit about him. I was chalking that up to him taking a few moments in real time to understand what was going on, because of his lack of connection to the physical plane. As for Euphoria's weakness, I thought all epics instinctually knew their weaknesses. How else would Steelheart know to avoid people who did not fear him? David was only able to work it out with help from Steelheart's behaviour (the propoganda, etc), which were all responses to the weakness. Since it would have been rare for Steelheart's weakness to manifest from the beginning (who wasn't afraid of that guy), it seems illogical for him to have been able to figure out his weakness. I also thought Megan mentioned something about Epics "just knowing" their weaknesses, but I don't have my book on me right now to look it up. The command working even a little bit would still be enough to doom him, given that in that window Hypno could just command him again, which would work better this time and then he'd just be done for. I also can't find the exact passage claiming Epics don't automatically knowing their weakness but I remmber that the concept didn't come up when Conflux claimed he doesn't know what his weakness is, which would be directly contradicted by this and as such really should have been mentioned in context, especially with it being at the beginning of the book, meaning it's in the refresher part of the book. As for Insight escaping after he killed the Iron Ogress, one big problem there (appart the sluggishness of mind you just implied which should would probably cause him to hesistate) namely that the command would come after he dropped the lily, giving Hypno enough time to speak the command five times over easily.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted July 4, 2015 Author Posted July 4, 2015 I thought he was surprised because David's father didn't fear him, and that he was able to trigger his weakness, rather than the existence of the weakness. When you are Steelheart, with his weakness being what it is, I think the fact that it is triggered is still pretty surprising, even if you know exactly what your weakness is. Firefight Spoilers: There's the quote I was thinking of. Not nearly as conclusive as I remember it, but Megan does say that there are aspects of her weakness she just seems to understand, without having them proven, and she doesn't know how she knows. The second quote isn't much of support, but I liked how it displayed just how certain Megan is about her weakness, despite being uncertain about how it works exactly. Again, if people disagree, or have contrary evidence, I'm willing to change my post, but this is where I got the idea that Epics automatically know their weakness. Honestly, I just assumed everyone was on the same page about that, and didn't realized things weren't as certain as I thought. But Megan could have realized all that when she discovered what fire did to her powers. She might not have known that fire was her weakness right away, but when she discovered that it caused her illusions to vanish, she could have come to the conclusion that she wouldn't reincarnate if she died in a fire. I got the impression that an Epic discovering their weakness is like that moment when the Eleventh Doctor looks behind his door in The God Complex: He didn't know what would be behind it, but when he looked, all he could say was "Of course. Who else would it be?" And in Steelheart, I think there's a passage about Steelheart testing various things to figure out exactly what his weakness was. I don't have the book with me, so if someone could find it (or prove me wrong) that'd be awesome, but he wouldn't need to discover his weakness through trial and error if he automatically knew it. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Quote from Steelheart, Chapter 25. "I don't think he knew how he got hurt," I said. "A lot of Epics don't know their weaknesses at first. He quietly had his people gather those records and analyze them so he could try to figure it out." That's pretty much as clear of a statement as we could hope for. There might be Epics who figure out their weaknesses right off the bat, but it's by no means a universal rule. 2
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Quote from Steelheart, Chapter 25. That's pretty much as clear of a statement as we could hope for. There might be Epics who figure out their weaknesses right off the bat, but it's by no means a universal rule. That's exactly the quote I was searching for, thank you Kobold. As a reward you may speak a wish.
Kobold King he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 That's exactly the quote I was searching for, thank you Kobold. As a reward you may speak a wish. Um... I wish Brandon Sanderson would give us a magic pager that lets us ask him questions whenever we want? 1
Edgedancer he/him Posted July 4, 2015 Posted July 4, 2015 Um... I wish Brandon Sanderson would give us a magic pager that lets us ask him questions whenever we want? ...I was kind of hoping for one I can fulfill on my own, so I'm afraid the AMA is the best we got.
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