Categories Question

[Arook he/him]

While reading the Help:Categorization page I had a couple of questions

 

High Level Content Categories

 

• Articles should never be in multiple ones of these. 

Why is this? Are you saying that each Sub category should only appear in one of these? 

 

• These categories are generated from infoboxes (the box on the upper right of an article).

Why then are Allomancers  and Feruchemists sub categories in magic when they are a group which is under the character category magic users? This is confusing to me because we have Allomancers sitting next to Allomancy and Magic users which then contains Allomancers again. 

 

Magic users makes sense to be part of Both Magic and Characters. 

 

I do not want to drive poor chaos crazy messing with things so I'm hoping you can help me understand?

 

 

 

[Joe ST he/him]

A) that article is a semi logical interpretation of the defacto logic we used before a formal policy was considered. It's mostly Eric's interpretation of what the cat system looked like to him. Those rules are subject to change and also inconsistently applied.

the magic category is unloved and we've not figured out the various corner cases yet.

[Arook he/him]

That was quite the sentence. I'm trying to give a little love to the magic category I just need to understand how the admins want it organized so I don't get panicked stop messages from Chaos . 

[Joe ST he/him]

Well the best thing to do is let us deal with the categories. As in, come to us with ideas, but leave the actual categorisation to the staff. 

[Chaos he/him]

While reading the Help:Categorization page I had a couple of questions

 

High Level Content Categories

• Articles should never be in multiple ones of these. 

Why is this? Are you saying that each Sub category should only appear in one of these?

• These categories are generated from infoboxes (the box on the upper right of an article).

Why then are Allomancers  and Feruchemists sub categories in magic when they are a group which is under the character category magic users? This is confusing to me because we have Allomancers sitting next to Allomancy and Magic users which then contains Allomancers again. 

 

Magic users makes sense to be part of Both Magic and Characters. 

 

I do not want to drive poor chaos crazy messing with things so I'm hoping you can help me understand?

Regarding HLCCs, it says "Articles should never be in multiple ones of these." That's a requirement on articles, not categories. Categories can be a member of both, and when they are, they are indeed listed as such in Help:Categorization. Magic users, as an example, should be in both Characters and Magic categories. However, you don't mark Kelsier as Magic, you only list him as a Character.

Regarding your second point, I agree. It is not necessary to list Allomancers in both Magic and Magic users. While the high level content categories are always applied to articles of that type (for example, every article about Magic should be tagged with Magic), categories do not need to be made this way. Typically the way subcategories are set up, it's more hierarchical. In Category: Characters, you have a bunch of subcategories, which can have more subcategories. That lowest tier does not need to also be listed in Characters. If they were, the main Category: Characters would have a bunch of categories that don't need to be seen on that page; you'd browse to, say, the Ethnicities category first, where you'd find the characters by ethnicity.

Long story short, the subset of Magic users don't need to be in Magic. So I'll adjust specific magic user categories like Category: Allomancers to remove the Magic tag, while also giving them the Allomancy tag.

Thanks I'll add this sort of stuff to make it more explicit in Help:Categorization.

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I just want to chime in with something as well as this is something I was initially confused about as well. It is a little non-intuitive but the HLCC's do not propogate down into the sub-categories.  What this means is that Kelsier is a character article, which means it is in the Characters HLCC.  It is also in the Allomancers sub-category which is a sub under both Characters and Magic (specifically it is under Magic users which is then under Magic).  This does not make the Kelsier page a Magic Article.

 

Another example of this is the Food sub-category.  The articles in Food are either "things that are edible" which are classified as Lifeforms and "prepared dishes" which are classified under Culture.  The category as a whole can be found in either of those HLCC's but each individual page is only under one.

 

Hopefully that helps supplement Chaos' explanation.

[Arook he/him]

Yes that helps a lot thank you.  So this is going to sound a little silly but i"m going to try and simplify this tell me if I'm getting this right. 

 

Each article is basically a person place or thing. These are broken up into the HLCC we see on the main page. All articles should fall into the main HLCC for what they are. 

 

Then each Sub category crosses back and forth across Sub categories and HLCC's and each article is going to be a part of any relevant sub categories. In most cases on an HLCC Subcategories should include the most relevant using similar judgement to articles page and with the more broad categories also included that are likely in other HLCCs as well(i.e. Magic users is in both characters and magic HLCC. Though admittedly Characters HLCC is the most detailed and inclusive HLCC. Does that make sense? Is my understanding right?