Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 22, 2013 Posted April 22, 2013 (edited) And I'm not really certain how much of a shard is locked to the body, and how much is just uh... kinda floating around somehow in the spiritual or cognitive realm. Nightblood is apparently 'orders of magnitude' above a shardblade in terms of investiture. As of latest reddit, we know that hemalurgic spikes are push/pull immune even when outside a body... that makes me think that a hemalurgic spike is probably somewhere around a breath/shardblade, give or take. There's also a question about pushing/pulling being based on an 'investiture density' versus 'total investiture'. I suspect the biggest issue with investing objects is how much you can stick in before it becomes sapient and runs away. Edited April 22, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity
Satsuoni he/him Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Funny thing about that is that Vin had no trouble pushing on her earring even before she started burning mists. So immune is probably an exaggeration...
Phantom Monstrosity Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 (edited) Funny thing about that is that Vin had no trouble pushing on her earring even before she started burning mists. So immune is probably an exaggeration... Well, the exact quote is 3) Anything infused (regardless of the world or magic that infused it) is resistant to magic. So you'd have a lot of trouble pushing or pulling on a spike, unless you had access to a boost of some sort to overcome the resistance. The Lord Ruler had a ton of bonuses towards pushing stuff (so he could push vin's earring), and... hmm. I wonder if the 'spike attunement' thingy that we've been speculating about applies to pushing and pulling stuff as well. Could also be that the earring is, like, twenty times more difficult to push, but it's so ridiculously small that it doesn't matter at all. Edited April 23, 2013 by Phantom Monstrosity
Vortaan he/him Posted April 23, 2013 Posted April 23, 2013 Could also be that the earring is, like, twenty times more difficult to push, but it's so ridiculously small that it doesn't matter at all. Could also be the bits of Preservation that Vin absorbed when she didn't have her earring in gave her some ability to Push on spikes.
Khmauv he/him Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Could also be the bits of Preservation that Vin absorbed when she didn't have her earring in gave her some ability to Push on spikes. Are you suggesting that Vin could have been absorbing the mists when ever she did't have the earring in out in the mists?
Kurkistan he/him Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 By the point Vin was using her earring as a weapon, she had absorbed the mists at least once while fighting TLR and had taken up the power of the Well. She had plenty of chances to snag some extra power. Personally, I think the earring was simply small and of weak Investiture: that, combined with Vin's naturally high power, probably allows her to still Push/Pull it.
Khmauv he/him Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I guess I always just assumed she "burned" the mists not actually absorbed preservation.
Vortaan he/him Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 Are you suggesting that Vin could have been absorbing the mists when ever she did't have the earring in out in the mists? There's a bit in the HoA chapter headings where Sazed speculates that she had been absorbing the mists a little bit every time she didn't have the earring in.
Observer Posted April 26, 2013 Author Posted April 26, 2013 Probably every time she was burning metals, and probably just as small an absorption rate thanks to her tiny subconscious burnings. It's the only reason I can think of for why the mists didn't go right into her while her earring was out. For the entire time she was using allomancy consciously she had it in.
Vortaan he/him Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Probably every time she was burning metals, and probably just as small an absorption rate thanks to her tiny subconscious burnings. It's the only reason I can think of for why the mists didn't go right into her while her earring was out. For the entire time she was using allomancy consciously she had it in. I think the mists needed her to be primed by using the Well. If you consider the Well an attuning force, then the timing is a bit better. The better question is why the mists didn't enter her when she used them against Marsh.
Observer Posted April 26, 2013 Author Posted April 26, 2013 Maybe they hadn't quite started doing the funnel thing and she put the earring back in too quickly? Heck, might have been Ruin's fault, I have no idea until I get my WoA copy back.
Kurkistan he/him Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) They only started doing the funnel thing because Leras died, IIRC, which was fairly late in the game. Edited April 26, 2013 by Kurkistan
Observer Posted April 26, 2013 Author Posted April 26, 2013 So...the mists couldn't go in on full power because of Leras? Makes sense I guess, they were kind of pulled two ways between sticking to Leras and finding their new host...
Vortaan he/him Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 They only started doing the funnel thing because Leras died, IIRC, which was fairly late in the game. So Vin had to not have her earring in, after using the Well, with Leras dead? Works for me. The little bits she absorbed earlier were probably also meant to attune her to Preservation in general.
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