Question 11

[Voidus]

Not really, Impact he could kill before she has anytime to react and put up any defenses, Deathwish he can just pummel fit his fists and while Redlight can stop him from moving it would still need a lot of preparation and help to actually hurt him at all.

Well for Impact he'd need to know her powerset and time an ambush for when she wasn't shielding herself (Which there's no way to tell) and he still needs to kill her with the first shot, meanwhile if she sneaks up on him she could punch through his skull in half a second and then proceed to tear him limb from limb if necessary.

He could pummel Deathwish but unless he was extremely careful he's almost certainly going to draw blood which means it'd get reflected and I'm sure Deathwish would think of some other irritating way to turn the tables.

Well she can just keep him frozen as long as necesseary so that's still a pretty guaranteed win on her part

Edited May 15, 2015 by Voidus

[Blackhoof]

Sorry to be harping on this but Funtimes is an associate to every atrocity Nighthound and Lightwards commited after she helped them with the museum or at the very least those she knows about, which is more than plenty, making her a murderer of innocents by proxy. Getting rid of Calamity's influence might help with such things like her humiliating people for fun without any provokation and some of her other character flaws, to the point that whoever kills her wouldn't actually make Portland a better place anymore, but it'll take much more to actually redeem her.

 

 

I'd probably put her at solid Chaotic Neutral on the D+D alignment scale. Which is a bit better than most Epics who would be Chaotic Evil. Apathy doesn't mean evil, necessarily. Sure she helped them, which is morally wrong, but as an Epic she has no moral compass. She is better than the average Epic, which makes her on the level of a crappy normal person who doesn't set out to hurt people but has no interest stopping people from getting hurt.

Although I admit I haven't read the whole Portland thread, so I'm just going off what I have heard second-hand in the Question threads.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Well for Impacy he'd need to know her powerset and time an ambush for when she wasn't shielding herself (Which there's no way to tell) and he still needs to kill her with the first shot, meanwhile if she sneaks up on him she could punch through his skull in half a second and then proceed to tear him limb from limb if necessary.

He could pummel Deathwish but unless he was extremely careful he's almost certainly going to draw blood which means it'd get reflected and I'm sure Deathwish would think of some other irritating way to turn the tables.

Well she can just keep him frozen as long as necesseary so that's still a pretty guaranteed win on her part

It should actually be rahter easy to tell if she's using her powers by looking at her clothes. Then there's the fact that in story she's still recovering from severe wounds and sediatives, so between not having the state of mind to use her powers acurately and lack of physical strenght from recovering she's not going to be able to survive any serious action scene. Even assuming she has enough control to keep her abdomen from ripping open or squishing it herself by accident, which is already quite a stretch, she's going to die shortly afterwards from collapsing through exhaustion and then not being able to use her powers. Being drugged up and in severe pain everytime she so much as breathes also doesn't make sneaking easy either.

Punch him in the stomach or break his limbs, it's not like Deatwish would have any time to react. Deathwish also wouldn't really be able to pull anything on him, given that Ozy could either dodge or just let whatever weapon he's trying to trick him with decay.

She has to stop freezing him so they can actually hurt him and that gives him the opportunity to dodge most everything and her twenty feet range means they can't simply carpet bomb the place. It could work if they get Frostfire to cooperate, though.

 

I'd probably put her at solid Chaotic Neutral on the D+D alignment scale. Which is a bit better than most Epics who would be Chaotic Evil. Apathy doesn't mean evil, necessarily. Sure she helped them, which is morally wrong, but as an Epic she has no moral compass. She is better than the average Epic, which makes her on the level of a crappy normal person who doesn't set out to hurt people but has no interest stopping people from getting hurt.

Although I admit I haven't read the whole Portland thread, so I'm just going off what I have heard second-hand in the Question threads.

Well, almost everything bad that happened in Portland is her fault, either directly or indirectly but all of it for completely selfish reasons. So yeah, she's reached the point that if someone went back in time to kill her I would call that person a hero. She's got blood on her hands and not in the "didn't help" kind of way but more in the "Hey, I want to kill someone, could you hand me your knive?" kind of way.

[Voidus]

It should actually be rahter easy to tell if she's using her powers by looking at her clothes. Then there's the fact that in story she's still recovering from severe wounds and sediatives, so between not having the state of mind to use her powers acurately and lack of physical strenght from recovering she's not going to be able to survive any serious action scene. Even assuming she has enough control to keep her abdomen from ripping open or squishing it herself by accident, which is already quite a stretch, she's going to die shortly afterwards from collapsing through exhaustion and then not being able to use her powers. Being drugged up and in severe pain everytime she so much as breathes also doesn't make sneaking easy either.

Punch him in the stomach or break his limbs, it's not like Deatwish would have any time to react. Deathwish also wouldn't really be able to pull anything on him, given that Ozy could either dodge or just let whatever weapon he's trying to trick him with decay.

She has to stop freezing him so they can actually hurt him and that gives him the opportunity to dodge most everything and her twenty feet range means they can't simply carpet bomb the place. It could work if they get Frostfire to cooperate, though.

 

Well, almost everything bad that happened in Portland is her fault, either directly or indirectly but all of it for completely selfish reasons. So yeah, she's reached the point that if someone went back in time to kill her I would call that person a hero. She's got blood on her hands and not in the "didn't help" kind of way but more in the "Hey, I want to kill someone, could you hand me your knive?" kind of way.

Not as easy as you'd think, particularly once she changes her clothes to something more flight-comfortable. she can't use her powers accurately because of the meds and wounds, doesn't mean she can't use them, she's probably going to be using her powers to do pretty much everything for now specifically because she has wounds, if walking hurts you might as well fly, if your muscles are too weak to hold something might as well use your powers to make them stronger. So she's going to be progressing in leaps and bounds with her power due to excessive usage, fine control might be difficult but flying in a straight line and punching someone doesn't exactly require finesse.

As a consequence fighting's not going to be particularly draining either, moving, hitting or being hit are all dealt with by her powers so her body's not going to be under much strain.

Punching someone in the stomach with any force will almost certainly cause a bleed so if he tries that he'd likely just rupture his own kidney or something. Same with breaking a limb, trying to deliberately break a limb without breaking skin is actually pretty hard, overestimate the force and you end up causing a complex fracture and then your femur is sticking out of you. His decay field protects him, not Deathwish, all Deathwish has to do is get bumped into something pointy and then Ozy has a stab wound. Speaking from experience Deathwish is really bloody annoying to fight.

No she doesn't, she can keep him frozen and then just drown him if needed, it's what I'd do.

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As for Funtimes I'm inclined to agree that she's chaotic neutral, if not chaotic good. She generally has good motives, albeit selfish ones, she puts up with the horrors of Portland sure, but so does pretty much everyone else, she provides a moral balance to Lightwards and Nighthound, keeping the only Vanilla characters in the game safe and has so far used overt displays of her power to make a flying museum and pancakes as far as the populace goes.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Not as easy as you'd think, particularly once she changes her clothes to something more flight-comfortable. she can't use her powers accurately because of the meds and wounds, doesn't mean she can't use them, she's probably going to be using her powers to do pretty much everything for now specifically because she has wounds, if walking hurts you might as well fly, if your muscles are too weak to hold something might as well use your powers to make them stronger. So she's going to be progressing in leaps and bounds with her power due to excessive usage, fine control might be difficult but flying in a straight line and punching someone doesn't exactly require finesse.

As a consequence fighting's not going to be particularly draining either, moving, hitting or being hit are all dealt with by her powers so her body's not going to be under much strain.

Punching someone in the stomach with any force will almost certainly cause a bleed so if he tries that he'd likely just rupture his own kidney or something. Same with breaking a limb, trying to deliberately break a limb without breaking skin is actually pretty hard, overestimate the force and you end up causing a complex fracture and then your femur is sticking out of you. His decay field protects him, not Deathwish, all Deathwish has to do is get bumped into something pointy and then Ozy has a stab wound. Speaking from experience Deathwish is really bloody annoying to fight.

No she doesn't, she can keep him frozen and then just drown him if needed, it's what I'd do.

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As for Funtimes I'm inclined to agree that she's chaotic neutral, if not chaotic good. She generally has good motives, albeit selfish ones, she puts up with the horrors of Portland sure, but so does pretty much everyone else, she provides a moral balance to Lightwards and Nighthound, keeping the only Vanilla characters in the game safe and has so far used overt displays of her power to make a flying museum and pancakes as far as the populace goes.

What kind of clothes would that be? They will have to conastantly move away from her to allow for her protection meaning there will be some rippling in them or they will just rip completely.

She has burn wounds in her throat (worst case even her lungs) a acoustic trauma and a stab wound all over her abdomen that is going to rip open if she so much as puts on a pair of pants on her own. Everything that's not her lying in bed either moaning in pain and/or so drugged up she doesn't even realize what's going on is a pretty big stretch, albeit one I'm willing to give you. Her keeping track of multiple uses of her power (her defense, flying and stabilizing her wounds while flying) some of them very delicate and not something she's used to, is questionable at best. Then there's the problem that if she flies fast the air is going to punch right on her burn wounds as she breathes, sending her into painful convulsions and probably start a gagging reflex. High altitudes also aren't a good idea for her anyway. (In fact after an operation to the intestines patient often times aren't allowed to fly for weeks if not months.)

Then there's also the problem of being anemic after her operation and her wounded abdomen meaning she's going to need an IV to make up for the lack of nutrition her damaged digestive system can no longer supply.

She also isn't out of the danger for infections, yet.

Overall, if she heads back to the Dalles immediately on the next day she's more likely to collaps mid flight and die on the road than she's to make the trip and even then she'll need heavy medical attention to have a realistic chance of survival.

All of that assuming the best case scenario of some random backalley doctor in Portland even having proper medical equipment.

 

It's a problem if he's trying to beat him to death yes but more than easy enough if he just wants to win the fight. Again, with his speed just bumping into him won't work as he would have enough time to dodge, just decay whatever it is on purpose or pull Deathwish away from whatever he's trying to bump into.

 

Even assuming drowning works with any kind of healing factor in place, that's not how Redlight's powers work, sadly.

                                                                    

I can see her being chaotic neutral on her own but her cooperation with Lightwards and Nighthound still pulls her down right into villain territory. None of your points also really point towards her being "good" either, her being a balance to Lightwards and Nighthound is a forgeone conclusion that ignores that the "balance" works both ways and she's done nothing to actually stop the bad stuff they are doing, her protecting the vanilla characters is both protagonist centered morality and ignores that she's the reason they need protection from Lightwards and Nighthound in the first place, with Sam her "protection" actually only caused more harm, the flying museum was made as a gift to Lightwards, which supports his evil plans and as such puts that right back into evil teritorry and the pancakes while neutral on their own take on a more sinister turn when one remembers an earlier scene in which she fantasies about people worshipping her as the best Empress ever, because she gave them pancakes.

Sure, if she wasn't helping Nighthound and Lightwards calling her chaotic neutral wouldn't be a problem but the context for her actions still exsist.

[Voidus]

What kind of clothes would that be? They will have to conastantly move away from her to allow for her protection meaning there will be some rippling in them or they will just rip completely.

She has burn wounds in her throat (worst case even her lungs) a acoustic trauma and a stab wound all over her abdomen that is going to rip open if she so much as puts on a pair of pants on her own. Everything that's not her lying in bed either moaning in pain and/or so drugged up she doesn't even realize what's going on is a pretty big stretch, albeit one I'm willing to give you. Her keeping track of multiple uses of her power (her defense, flying and stabilizing her wounds while flying) some of them very delicate and not something she's used to, is questionable at best. Then there's the problem that if she flies fast the air is going to punch right on her burn wounds as she breathes, sending her into painful convulsions and probably start a gagging reflex. High altitudes also aren't a good idea for her anyway. (In fact after an operation to the intestines patient often times aren't allowed to fly for weeks if not months.)

Then there's also the problem of being anemic after her operation and her wounded abdomen meaning she's going to need an IV to make up for the lack of nutrition her damaged digestive system can no longer supply.

She also isn't out of the danger for infections, yet.

Overall, if she heads back to the Dalles immediately on the next day she's more likely to collaps mid flight and die on the road than she's to make the trip and even then she'll need heavy medical attention to have a realistic chance of survival.

All of that assuming the best case scenario of some random backalley doctor in Portland even having proper medical equipment.

 

It's a problem if he's trying to beat him to death yes but more than easy enough if he just wants to win the fight. Again, with his speed just bumping into him won't work as he would have enough time to dodge, just decay whatever it is on purpose or pull Deathwish away from whatever he's trying to bump into.

 

Even assuming drowning works with any kind of healing factor in place, that's not how Redlight's powers work, sadly.

                                                                    

I can see her being chaotic neutral on her own but her cooperation with Lightwards and Nighthound still pulls her down right into villain territory. None of your points also really point towards her being "good" either, her being a balance to Lightwards and Nighthound is a forgeone conclusion that ignores that the "balance" works both ways and she's done nothing to actually stop the bad stuff they are doing, her protecting the vanilla characters is both protagonist centered morality and ignores that she's the reason they need protection from Lightwards and Nighthound in the first place, with Sam her "protection" actually only caused more harm, the flying museum was made as a gift to Lightwards, which supports his evil plans and as such puts that right back into evil teritorry and the pancakes while neutral on their own take on a more sinister turn when one remembers an earlier scene in which she fantasies about people worshipping her as the best Empress ever, because she gave them pancakes.

Sure, if she wasn't helping Nighthound and Lightwards calling her chaotic neutral wouldn't be a problem but the context for her actions still exsist.

Pants for a start, but I think you're overestimating how much billowing there'd be, in any kind of wind at all it wouldn't even be noticeable, were she fully recovered it wouldn't be noticeable at all to the naked eye even indoors.

Ear damage might be painful but it's not going to be preventing her movement, the burns to her throat weren't severe, she was in contact with the fire for less than a second, the stab wound prevents her from strenuous exercise and it'd sure hurt if she tried to bend much but other than that it's pretty manageable.

Now that she's been sewn up she doesn't need to keep the wounds closed and the other two are pretty simple, move everything inside her skin this way, move everything outside of her skin that way(Actually I don't think she technically needs to shield herself while flying but she'd probably try to anyway).

Her flying speed pretty much makes up for any problems that might occur while flying, she could pretty much make the entire trip to the Dalles while holding her breath if necessary.

Out of curiosity how exactly do you imagine Redlights powers preventing people from drowning? (And to use your phrasing she would at the very least win the fight, with pretty consummate ease)

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No one in Portland has stopped Lightwards or Nighthound, most haven't even tried, doesn't make them all evil, admittedly she still hangs around them but proximity doesn't cause evilness.

As for the rest that's self-centered sure, but not really evil.

[Edgedancer he/him]

Out of curiosity how exactly do you imagine Redlights powers preventing people from drowning? (And to use your phrasing she would at the very least win the fight, with pretty consummate ease)

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No one in Portland has stopped Lightwards or Nighthound, most haven't even tried, doesn't make them all evil, admittedly she still hangs around them but proximity doesn't cause evilness.

As for the rest that's self-centered sure, but not really evil.

On Redlight's power there was some talking recently. Essentially by putting people in stasis. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/28318-question-11/?p=259480

(Not really, even assuming she doesn't have the don't blink problem her "victory" only last until she falls asleep.)

 

A good number of people don't even know the whole extend of their atrocities, barely any time has passed in game afterall and most people not in their faction do want to stop them, the question is more of a when. Then there's also the fact that not stopping isn't the same as helping. Having your counter group be a population of sociopathic mass murderers also isn't exactly the best choice, if you are arguing for the goodness of a character.

Could be cultural difference but I would say that supporting an evil regime, to the extend that it wouldn't even have been able to start without you, while there was nothing actually forcing you to do so, does indeed make you evil.

[Voidus]

On Redlight's power there was some talking recently. Essentially by putting people in stasis. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/28318-question-11/?p=259480

(Not really, even assuming she doesn't have the don't blink problem her "victory" only last until she falls asleep.)

 

A good number of people don't even know the whole extend of their atrocities, barely any time has passed in game afterall and most people not in their faction do want to stop them, the question is more of a when. Then there's also the fact that not stopping isn't the same as helping. Having your counter group be a population of sociopathic mass murderers also isn't exactly the best choice, if you are arguing for the goodness of a character.

Could be cultural difference but I would say that supporting an evil regime, to the extend that it wouldn't even have been able to start without you, while there was nothing actually forcing you to do so, does indeed make you evil.

He'd still drown when he was brought out of stasis, or get set on fire, suffocated or whatever else Redlight can think of. If nothing else she could just ask a couple of guardsmen to grab a hold of him, release him from stasis then take turns punching him until he stopped resisting. Her powers work pretty well even against High Epics.

Ozzy's would last even less against Deathwish, he'd be completely fine 2 seconds after he stopped getting hit.

 

She's hardly supporting Lightwards, she made a building fly for him, which might look impressive but practically it's not helping him advance his goals much, the hordes of dinosaurs and Epics are doing a much better job of doing that, and Nighthound's the only one whose assistance could even be partially traced to her presence, Aldo sought him out as did Backtrack and they're the two who brought him the most Epics. While Aldo might arguably be evil I'm pretty sure we can agree that Backtrack isn't.

[Edgedancer he/him]

He'd still drown when he was brought out of stasis, or get set on fire, suffocated or whatever else Redlight can think of. If nothing else she could just ask a couple of guardsmen to grab a hold of him, release him from stasis then take turns punching him until he stopped resisting. Her powers work pretty well even against High Epics.

Ozzy's would last even less against Deathwish, he'd be completely fine 2 seconds after he stopped getting hit.

 

She's hardly supporting Lightwards, she made a building fly for him, which might look impressive but practically it's not helping him advance his goals much, the hordes of dinosaurs and Epics are doing a much better job of doing that, and Nighthound's the only one whose assistance could even be partially traced to her presence, Aldo sought him out as did Backtrack and they're the two who brought him the most Epics. While Aldo might arguably be evil I'm pretty sure we can agree that Backtrack isn't.

Punching/burning someone with a healing factor and that can destroy either the ground they are standing on or whatever constraints around him? Doesn't sound like it has a large chance for succes.

Two seconds is more than enough time for Ozy to get the hell away from him though and Deathwish can't do much, if he for example decides to just tie him down.

 

There is such a thing as PR. The flying museum is half the reason people are working with him, the other half being the dinosaurs, which she helped him get and on his own that would have been quite a lot harder for Lightwards. Actually, without her invlovement it's completely possible that Nighthound would just have killed him over and over, reducing him to a glibbering mess before he had a chance to do anything in town. Then without the empire to fall back on a Slontze like Nightound would have rather bad chances of survival.

Backtrack lacks the agency to be evil, as he's sure to get killed if he doesn't comply. Funtimes on the other hand is free to just leave or even could have stopped him beforre anything started.

[Kobold King he/him]

i need to send Flashpoint to the arms dealer, but do you guys think that'd be better in the morning?  

Wow. Creepy and perfect. And apparently worth 6 upvotes.

Something awesome happened today that I have to share with you guys! So I'm the Editor-in-Chief of my school newspaper/magazine and for a final gift, my adviser and assistant editor arranged for Brandon himself to come to my school and sign a copy of WoR for me and talk with me for ten minutes or so! It was the coolest moment of my life! The bad news is that when he asked if I had any questions, I was still surprised and shocked at seeing him that everything went blank. I couldn't remember a single question from the FUNTIMES list or any of my own. I'm a bit disappointed about that, but it was still really cool!

 

 

I... I... uh...

 

Wow. That is awesome.

 

(And I'm thinking about starting a new training regimen for myself. Every day, every time someone catches my attention, I will train myself to burst out "Tell me about Epics on the West Coast!" Eventually this will become an unbreakable habit for me, and if the Bandersnatch catches me unawares, I'll blurt out the question on pure reflex. )

 

 

 

On the Funtimes front... Edge, I think you may have misunderstood what we were saying about Funtimes the other day.

 

All Epics are inclined towards evil. They can't help that. They can try to face their fears somewhere along the way, but until then, they're no more responsible for their actions than you are in the middle of your worst, most nonsensical nightmare. They're stripped to their core, reveling in temptations they didn't even know they had when they had consciences.

 

Funtimes is no different from any of the others--but think about the fact that of all her corruption, her darkest desire is the drive to surround herself with friends. Friends to comfort her and friends to think she's the best thing since sliced cake. Has she inadvertently opened the door to atrocities in her careless apathy? Yes. To the consequentialist she's practically Hitler. But I for one don't judge people on the unintended consequences of their actions--for all I know, riding in the car with my mom has sent dust particles that ultimately triggered hurricanes.

 

I judge people on their hearts. In real life we can't see what a person most desires her heart, but in the world of literature we can. Lightwards wants control, Electro wants to be feared... Funtimes wants to be loved. And given that the bulk of her supposed evil has been in the unintended consequences of her actions, I find it hard to judge her too harshly for that, considering the corruptive influence she's under.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Kobold King

[Voidus]

Punching/burning someone with a healing factor and that can destroy either the ground they are standing on or whatever constraints around him? Doesn't sound like it has a large chance for succes.

Two seconds is more than enough time for Ozy to get the hell away from him though and Deathwish can't do much, if he for example decides to just tie him down.

 

There is such a thing as PR. The flying museum is half the reason people are working with him, the other half being the dinosaurs, which she helped him get and on his own that would have been quite a lot harder for Lightwards. Actually, without her invlovement it's completely possible that Nighthound would just have killed him over and over, reducing him to a glibbering mess before he had a chance to do anything in town. Then without the empire to fall back on a Slontze like Nightound would have rather bad chances of survival.

Backtrack lacks the agency to be evil, as he's sure to get killed if he doesn't comply. Funtimes on the other hand is free to just leave or even could have stopped him beforre anything started.

Wouldn't kill him but both of those things hurt at the least, burning hurts pretty badly, if he's insensitive to pain then they've at least got him captured for as long as they want.

Deathwish can fly, if his goal was escape I don't think he'd be in luck.

 

And with neither Funtimes nor Lightwards around I suspect Nighthound would have filled the void in power instead, spreading evil slontzeyness throughout Portland unchecked.

[Edgedancer he/him]

On the Funtimes front... Edge, I think you may have misunderstood what we were saying about Funtimes the other day.

 

All Epics are inclined towards evil. They can't help that. They can try to face their fears somewhere along the way, but until then, they're no more responsible for their actions than you are in the middle of your worst, most nonsensical nightmare. They're stripped to their core, reveling in temptations they didn't even know they had when they had consciences.

 

Funtimes is no different from any of the others--but think about the fact that of all her corruption, her darkest desire is the drive to surround herself with friends. Friends to comfort her and friends to think she's the best thing since sliced cake. Has she inadvertently opened the door to atrocities in her careless apathy? Yes. To the consequentialist she's practically Hitler. But I for one don't judge people on the unintended consequences of their actions--for all I know, riding in the car with my mom has sent dust particles that ultimately triggered hurricanes.

 

I judge people on their hearts. In real life we can't see what a person most desires her heart, but in the world of literature we can. Lightwards wants control, Electro wants to be feared... Funtimes wants to be loved. And given that the bulk of her supposed evil has been in the unintended consequences of her actions, I find it hard to judge her too harshly for that, considering the corruptive influence she's under.

I do understand what you're saying but that only goes that far. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. If it was only some misguided actions in an attempt to make friends but there's much more. She has a complete disrespect to everyone that doesn't act exactly like she wants them to, denying Corpsemaker both the dignity of his name and proper clothing. She shows cowardice in that if her actions have consequences she shows no problems with running away and letting strangers die for her behaviour. Worst of all again she's helping Lightwards and has shown more animosity towards him because he isn't thankful enough to her than for him killing random people. This is much more than just some unitential damage and all throughout she's showing only selfishness and no remorse.

Sure, she has Calamity as some form of excuse but so does every Epic, so how much damage has Funtimes to actually do before enough is enough? Until Twi can't simply pull the strings and magic her a happy end up.

 

As I said before, on her own I wouldn't call Funtimes "evil" myself but she's far over the point where she can just plead ignorance and can simply be absolved from her crimes.

[Kobold King he/him]

Sure, she has Calamity as some form of excuse but so does every Epic, so how much damage has Funtimes to actually do before enough is enough? Until Twi can't simply pull the strings and magic her a happy end up.

 

If that's what you're worried about, I've seen a lot of what Twi has planned. Without giving spoilers, your concerns are answered, and I wouldn't by any stretch refer to how things resolve themselves as "magicing a happy end up."

 

I can't say how it all turns out, but TwiLyght's a better writer than you give her credit for. What is planned--whether it's redemption or more corruption--is handled very delicately and with the same supernal quality we've seen from her so far.

[Edgedancer he/him]

If that's what you're worried about, I've seen a lot of what Twi has planned. Without giving spoilers, your concerns are answered, and I wouldn't by any stretch refer to how things resolve themselves as "magicing a happy end up."

 

I can't say how it all turns out, but TwiLyght's a better writer than you give her credit for. What is planned--whether it's redemption or more corruption--is handled very delicately and with the same supernal quality we've seen from her so far.

It's less that I think Twi won't handle the matter well and more that her current self is already being treated as if she went through her repemtion arc and has been treated like that long before Twi even knew the current method of redemption is possible.

[the Gleeman he/him]

So, if more objects put a larger strain on him that does mean that there is ultimately a limit of how much he can control, right?

 

What happens when the body he's controling gets destroyed? (Unknown in there is no limit or unknown in the sense that you just aren't telling us?)

 

How close are we talking about?

 

Question 1: There is a limit, he just does not know his own limits. It is about 20 small, barely-controlled things or 40 passive things that only follow one goal but that is with little control on any one thing and would require extreme concentration. 

Question 2: His consciousness goes back to his original body unless his original body has been destroyed in which case he dies with no ability to survive.

Question 3: He can make puppets in an area of around 100m in any direction at maximum.

[Kobold King he/him]

It's less that I think Twi won't handle the matter well and more that her current self is already being treated as if she went through her repemtion arc and has been treated like that long before Twi even knew the current method of redemption is possible.

 

For a while Sparkleglass was also treated like a serious ship. I think everyone here knows that Funtimes is a flawed character, just as everyone knew how dysfunctional Shiny and Autumn's short-lived relationship was.

 

But the key is... you can argue for Funtimes' intrinsic goodness with in-text information. Is she selfish? Yes, of course she is! So is every child on the planet, and we love them all the same. She's caused harm, but unlike some Epics, she hasn't slaughtered vanillas and ruined lives for the sheer fun of it. She wants friends, and Calamity's been casting a fog over her eyes where her misdeeds are concerned.

 

To ever be redeemed she'd have to accept and repent the damage she's caused. But she's sympathetic already, which is more than we can say of Nighthound or Electro.

[Edgedancer he/him]

For a while Sparkleglass was also treated like a serious ship. I think everyone here knows that Funtimes is a flawed character, just as everyone knew how dysfunctional Shiny and Autumn's short-lived relationship was.

 

But the key is... you can argue for Funtimes' intrinsic goodness with in-text information. Is she selfish? Yes, of course she is! So is every child on the planet, and we love them all the same. She's caused harm, but unlike some Epics, she hasn't slaughtered vanillas and ruined lives for the sheer fun of it. She wants friends, and Calamity's been casting a fog over her eyes where her misdeeds are concerned.

 

To ever be redeemed she'd have to accept and repent the damage she's caused. But she's sympathetic already, which is more than we can say of Nighthound or Electro.

Pretty sure that the relationship was treated at it's most serious before it even started.

I'm also pretty sure I've said nothing that actually disagrees with this. Sure, I've called her a villain but it's not like being a villain and getting redeemed are mutally exclusive, it's the other way around if anything.

[Blackhoof]

This is a very unusual RP. Almost every character is a villain, and morally crappy, just in differing degrees.

[Kobold King he/him]

This is a very unusual RP. Almost every character is a villain, and morally crappy, just in differing degrees.

 

The vanillas are pretty cool, though. Off the top of my head I can't name a single villainous vanilla character--unless you count Seth Nathsa, but he was practically an Epic even before Calamity spoke to him.

[Voidus]

Short posts up for Scribbler and MV.
Kobold, any ideas when Arsenal will be arriving at the clinic?

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Pretty sure that the relationship was treated at it's most serious before it even started.

I'm also pretty sure I've said nothing that actually disagrees with this. Sure, I've called her a villain but it's not like being a villain and getting redeemed are mutally exclusive, it's the other way around if anything.

Like Kobold has said, Funtimes has caused damage. Serious damage. I don't deny that; if anything, by going for a redemption arc with her, I plan to acknowledge it and push her toward atoning for it. Calamity's corruption notwithstanding, these are serious things she's responsible for, and brushing them under the rug in favor of some falsely saccharine ending I pull out of my butt would not only be immoral, but also the worst sort of ending I can imagine. As an Epic, she is apathetic toward any damage she causes. The best way--the only way--I can think to bring her full circle is to acknowledge what she's done and use her recovered moral compass to set things right. Will it fix every problem she's caused? I doubt it. But she'll do what she can, fully aware of just how much she needs to fix.

[Voidus]

Also I think everyone's forgetting something about Funtimes.

She gave Lightwards his hat. 

[Kobold King he/him]

Short posts up for Scribbler and MV.

Kobold, any ideas when Arsenal will be arriving at the clinic?

 

Great!

 

He could show up now I suppose. I was imagining the clinic not being very far from the HQ, but we don't actually have a map or anything. :/

[Edgedancer he/him]

Like Kobold has said, Funtimes has caused damage. Serious damage. I don't deny that; if anything, by going for a redemption arc with her, I plan to acknowledge it and push her toward atoning for it. Calamity's corruption notwithstanding, these are serious things she's responsible for, and brushing them under the rug in favor of some falsely saccharine ending I pull out of my butt would not only be immoral, but also the worst sort of ending I can imagine. As an Epic, she is apathetic toward any damage she causes. The best way--the only way--I can think to bring her full circle is to acknowledge what she's done and use her recovered moral compass to set things right. Will it fix every problem she's caused? I doubt it. But she'll do what she can, fully aware of just how much she needs to fix.

All I've ever asked for and really, you've never dressed up what Funtimes did, so I'm not doubting that you'll do it well.

 

Great!

 

He could show up now I suppose. I was imagining the clinic not being very far from the HQ, but we don't actually have a map or anything. :/

Sure, although he would be closer to the armory than the HQ and somehow I get the feeling that a clinic shouldn't be right next to a ton of weaponary but maybe that's just me.

[Kobold King he/him]

Sure, although he would be closer to the armory than the HQ and somehow I get the feeling that a clinic shouldn't be right next to a ton of weaponary but maybe that's just me.

 

Why do we need a clinic right next to the armory? All those darn kids playing with hand grenades, I'll tell you.