TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 I don't remember that... I remember him throwing a bunch of dollar bills at him and then being conscripted into starring in a Newcagoan talk show, though. Ah, good times. By the way, if you wanted to do another contender for "most distant flashback award," just have Lightwards take a trip to the Atacama Desert in Chile. It never rains, ever, due to some quirks that make cloud formations impossible, and conditions are almost identical to Mars. Bodies don't rot. Scientists have found millennia-old corpses perfectly preserved. It'd be a paradise for our favorite grouchy necromancer... ....until he gets thirsty and drinks the local water, which is laced with 60 times the fatal dose of arsenic. Welcome to Hell, Lightwards, population you. 3
Voidus Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Nice post 18th, kudos on killing your character in what might just be a new record for quickest death after introduction 3
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Ah, good times. By the way, if you wanted to do another contender for "most distant flashback award," just have Lightwards take a trip to the Atacama Desert in Chile. It never rains, ever, due to some quirks that make cloud formations impossible, and conditions are almost identical to Mars. Bodies don't rot. Scientists have found millennia-old corpses perfectly preserved. It'd be a paradise for our favorite grouchy necromancer... ....until he gets thirsty and drinks the local water, which is laced with 60 times the fatal dose of arsenic. Welcome to Hell, Lightwards, population you. I'll keep that in mind if we ever do "What Happened in South America". Of course, Lightwards would probably die enough times that he'd be having an arsenic-filled tea party with a lizard and a cactus by the end of the game. And I already have an idea for the absolute, most-distant flashback. I just need an opportunity for it. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 I'll keep that in mind if we ever do "What Happened in South America". Of course, Lightwards would probably die enough times that he'd be having an arsenic-filled tea party with a lizard and a cactus by the end of the game. And I already have an idea for the absolute, most-distant flashback. I just need an opportunity for it. The locals would just shake their heads and bring him more water. (Oh, I didn't mention? Atacama natives are immune to the toxic murder water. Maybe they'd humor their new "emperor" and pretend to die a few times, but they'd probably mostly just giggle. ) 2
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Can Neverthere and Numnums come along for the trip? Lightwards and his hat, Neverthere and Numnums... it'll be the best worst best double date of all time! Speaking of time, I was thinking about Backtrack's ability to both see into the past and quickly sort through it, and I realized that if he wanted to he could absorb every bit of information from the present day all the way back to the Big Bang. He could see the planets, the sun, the galaxy and the whole universe formed in an instant, as well as the mind and thoughts of every human and animal to have ever stood in his steps. This would both be the corruptive equivalent of Steelheart turning Chicago into steel, and would also drive him completely insane. For some reason I imagine he'd wind up sounding like the singing pony in this video. 1
Voidus Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Lightwards and his hat, Neverthere and Numnums... it'll be the best worst best double date of all time! Speaking of time, I was thinking about Backtrack's ability to both see into the past and quickly sort through it, and I realized that if he wanted to he could absorb every bit of information from the present day all the way back to the Big Bang. He could see the planets, the sun, the galaxy and the whole universe formed in an instant, as well as the mind and thoughts of every human and animal to have ever stood in his steps. This would both be the corruptive equivalent of Steelheart turning Chicago into steel, and would also drive him completely insane. For some reason I imagine he'd wind up sounding like the singing pony in this video. Well that would round out MVs day nicely, she got taken by a creepy older guy, discovered the existence of Nighthound after meeting dinosaurs, fell off a flying building, got arrested, nearly shot, lost her sister and now her sorta-kinda-boyfriend goes sociopathic and insane 2
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Well that would round out MVs day nicely, she got taken by a creepy older guy, discovered the existence of Nighthound after meeting dinosaurs, fell off a flying building, got arrested, nearly shot, lost her sister and now her sorta-kinda-boyfriend goes sociopathic and insane Should we start a "Bad Luck MV" meme as well?
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If that's what everyone would prefer then I suppose I will, but I think it's better all around if her powers are mostly clear and predictable but at a very complicated level there's some unexpectedness rather than the basics of her powers being handwaved resulting in a complete inability to predict what would, could or should happen when she uses them. Obviously I'd try not to abuse it but if I'm given largely creative license for how her powers work on the fly due to handwaving there's guaranteed to be some confusion. Two reasons: one, no air could enter, 2 lungs can't expand if theres no room to expand into, once they've hit the envelope they couldn't expand anymore. Deceleration at the border isn't the problem, in fact it makes it worse if its instantaneous, that's why cars have crumple zones, to extend the deceleration to reduce trauma. If it stops instantly at the border then the momentum of her organs will crush themselves against her skin. Again, may be an oversight on my part but how does this give you more creative license than what you did before? Don't think of the envelope (a word you used first anyway) as an actual object. It only exsists for the object in question so air could still pass through it no problem and the lungs similary would never get in contact with the envelope. Not instant decceleration, no decceleration. Afterall there isn't an impact where the kintetic energy gets mechanically transfered, so there also would be no counter reaction to said impact. (How did the same problem not exsist in the old model?)
Voidus Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Again, may be an oversight on my part but how does this give you more creative license than what you did before? Don't think of the envelope (a word you used first anyway) as an actual object. It only exsists for the object in question so air could still pass through it no problem and the lungs similary would never get in contact with the envelope. Not instant decceleration, no decceleration. Afterall there isn't an impact where the kintetic energy gets mechanically transfered, so there also would be no counter reaction to said impact. (How did the same problem not exsist in the old model?) Handwaving by its nature of being non-specific in its explanation provides less boundaries and limitations for a powerset, so more freedom. Which is also why I dislike it, it makes for lazy writing if you can just adjust your explanations on the fly, which is why I love Brandons magic systems so much since there's very little handwaving involved. I think there may be confusion here, the envelope was my word yes, because I'm talking about something completely different to your suggestion, it was another idea I had a while ago to balance her power that I was just mentioning to show that there are going to be problems however it's solved. As things stand MVs power affects every particle in an object simultaneously, the 'envelope' thing was a potential solution to get around heat issues by having her only able to affect 2d planes which she then wraps around an object, only halting the momentum of particles which are in contact with the plane (Essentially it would be an immovable force-field) which would obviously crush anything inside the field if it was already moving too fast, since it would be like hitting concrete.
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Handwaving by its nature of being non-specific in its explanation provides less boundaries and limitations for a powerset, so more freedom. Which is also why I dislike it, it makes for lazy writing if you can just adjust your explanations on the fly, which is why I love Brandons magic systems so much since there's very little handwaving involved. I think there may be confusion here, the envelope was my word yes, because I'm talking about something completely different to your suggestion, it was another idea I had a while ago to balance her power that I was just mentioning to show that there are going to be problems however it's solved. As things stand MVs power affects every particle in an object simultaneously, the 'envelope' thing was a potential solution to get around heat issues by having her only able to affect 2d planes which she then wraps around an object, only halting the momentum of particles which are in contact with the plane (Essentially it would be an immovable force-field) which would obviously crush anything inside the field if it was already moving too fast, since it would be like hitting concrete. You might be looking at this "handwave" matter the wrong way. What it ultimately comes down to is the result. A system that breaks physics left and right but is consistent in itself is superior to one that tries to hold to physics but breaks down if you get into the nitty gritty details. As such throwing away real world science when dealing with magic and just building something independent from it can result in a much more specific set of rules. Plus, funnily enough, given how the cognitive aspect plays into his magic, working only with the body's overall momentum but ignoring such things like the blood flow and heat sounds exactly like what Brandon would do in his magic systems, to me. So why don't do it like the big man? 1
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 As a mildly dim-witted kobold trying to keep up with this conversation... ...I have not one solitary clue what we're talking about. 3
Voidus Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 You might be looking at this "handwave" matter the wrong way. What it ultimately comes down to is the result. A system that breaks physics left and right but is consistent in itself is superior to one that tries to hold to physics but breaks down if you get into the nitty gritty details. As such throwing away real world science when dealing with magic and just building something independent from it can result in a much more specific set of rules. Plus, funnily enough, given how the cognitive aspect plays into his magic, working only with the body's overall momentum but ignoring such things like the blood flow and heat sounds exactly like what Brandon would do in his magic systems, to me. So why don't do it like the big man? Except it's not consistent, that's my point, if it was consistent it comes with consequences like accidentally ripping legs off, if I handwave the consequences away then it's just largely inconsistent, applying different rules to different things with no clear guidelines except that it's for the plot which opens up the possibility for further inconsistencies down the line. The alternative is a system that is complex and consistent but ultimately at the smallest level of how precisely the momentum of each particles momentum is mapped to each other particles is handwaved, that exact mechanism is unlikely to have any effect on her powers or the storyline, her accidentally suffocating or ripping someones leg off will definitely affect the story.
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Except it's not consistent, that's my point, if it was consistent it comes with consequences like accidentally ripping legs off, if I handwave the consequences away then it's just largely inconsistent, applying different rules to different things with no clear guidelines except that it's for the plot which opens up the possibility for further inconsistencies down the line. The alternative is a system that is complex and consistent but ultimately at the smallest level of how precisely the momentum of each particles momentum is mapped to each other particles is handwaved, that exact mechanism is unlikely to have any effect on her powers or the storyline, her accidentally suffocating or ripping someones leg off will definitely affect the story. That's only a problem if you try to make it consistent to physics, not a problem within the solutions logic. The fix is really simple, if someone is walking and you stop them then their leg doesn't rip of because it stops moving. And that's it. Someone runs up to you and is trying to throw a punch? His movement stops and his limbs stay where thy are attached to his body. The simplest solution to not being able to do the math (and I still think you aren't even noticing half the handwaving and generlization you're doing here) is creating a system where you don't have to do the math. It is consisten within itself, doesn't break everything the power is used on, not anymore (probably less actually) based on abstraction and ideals than your system, is predictable and we can actually comprehend what is going on. (and while maybe not the best argument also seems more in line with Epic powers not caring about physics)
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Following the latest Hurt 'n' Heal game, this is how I see everyone who gangs up on Dawnslight and Conflux. 4
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Following the latest Hurt 'n' Heal game, this is how I see everyone who gangs up on Dawnslight and Conflux. You know if you helped out we could announce Dawnslight's victory within the next couple of hours. 1
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 You know if you helped out we could announce Dawnslight's victory within the next couple of hours. Considering it…. Though I'm still a little confused on the rules. Is it currently hurt two for one point each, give both points to the one you're healing, or one for two points, or does each one you're healing only get one point?
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Following the latest Hurt 'n' Heal game, this is how I see everyone who gangs up on Dawnslight and Conflux. That plot line actually got resolved in a video game tie in. Happines and Peace won. Given that at the latest by the time Arsenal comes into the clinic Ozymandias should show some kind of reaction, should we contact Snoopy about some general character attitude or NPCing him? Oh and who want's to see Lucentia fight against a matter disruptor? Edited May 12, 2015 by Edgedancer
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Considering it…. Though I'm still a little confused on the rules. Is it currently hurt two for one point each, give both points to the one you're healing, or one for two points, or does each one you're healing only get one point? You get to subtract two points in a turn, which you can either focus on a single character or spread out among two different targets. In the same turn you may add one point to another character. So basically, we just need you to subtract two points from Obliteration and add a point to Dawnslight. Easy as pie.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 You get to subtract two points in a turn, which you can either focus on a single character or spread out among two different targets. In the same turn you may add one point to another character. So basically, we just need you to subtract two points from Obliteration and add a point to Dawnslight. Easy as pie. BRB.
Kobold King he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Oh and who want's to see Lucentia fight against a matter disruptor? Details? Oh, who am I kidding, details don't matter. Yes I want to see it. BRB.
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 Guys in case it got lost between you plans to murer a High Epic with a PI wjhile not knowing his weakness (He will so come and murder you after the game is done. ) Given that at the latest by the time Arsenal comes into the clinic Ozymandias should show some kind of reaction, should we contact Snoopy about some general character attitude or NPCing him? Oh and who want's to see Lucentia fight against a matter disruptor? The first is kind of important and the second rather entertaining.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted May 12, 2015 Author Posted May 12, 2015 Guys in case it got lost between you plans to murer a High Epic with a PI wjhile not knowing his weakness (He will so come and murder you after the game is done. ) The first is kind of important and the second rather entertaining. (No he won't. I live in Arizona. Only crazy people visit... …sparks. ) (Also, how exactly did I mess the points up? I know I did, but I thought I had the system down, so if I know what I did wrong, I can return to murdering Obliteration. ) I say try to contact Snoopy. As for the matter disrupter, do tell me more.
Edgedancer he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) (No he won't. I live in Arizona. Only crazy people visit... …sparks. ) (Also, how exactly did I mess the points up? I know I did, but I thought I had the system down, so if I know what I did wrong, I can return to murdering Obliteration. ) I say try to contact Snoopy. As for the matter disrupter, do tell me more. The game is set up to eventually kill everyone except one. To guarantee this the overal points decrease every turn. Making 2 minus and one plus for an overal minus one. Yet you gave Dawnslight plus two instead of just plus one. Should I or do you want to? It does depend on the Epic in question. They deprive her of most forms of attack, howver if their range is to short Lucentia can use her own body as a club to just batter the opponent to death. Edited May 12, 2015 by Edgedancer
Sirce Luckwielder he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 If you all don't mind, could you check out my stylized versions of the Allomantic symbols here. I could use the feedback, constructive criticism, and advice. Thanks a ton for at least checking them out. Feel free to use them for whatever you want, that's why I made them. If people want bigger ones or anything else, they can just send me a PM. I don't check the Question thread often because of how busy I normally am, but I'll try to come on and check it over the next few days. Just color your messages to me in green so I can find them easier. Thanks.
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