bunyip99 Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 So I have been wondering lately, how we are going to fill some of the holes in the back stories we have seen so far. In particular, I'm looking at some of Kaladin's relationships which are mentioned in both WOK AND WOR, but are not explored in his flashback sequences. These would include Tarah(a possible lost love), Tukks and the Takers, Goshel and the slave escapes, etc. I am of the belief that most if not all of these characters are dead and will probably not make an appearance in coming books. Also I can,t imagine whose flashback scenes would intersect with these events. Other back story holes I would be interested in learning more about are:- Why Shallan's mother wanted her dead and who her mysterious friend was. How did Szeth come to be in the employ of the Parshendi and how did taravangian end up with his oathstone. Why does Jasnah feel she is responsible for Gavilar's assassination. What is Gavilar's, black stone and where did it come from There are many others, and I wonder how Brandon will get back to them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmurfAquamarineBodies Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 I hope that most of Kaladin's back story gets left to the imagination. The only thing I am even remotely interested in is the Tarah thing. As too Shallan I'd say that the bulk of that would come out when she meets her brothers again and she lets slip that she killed their mother. Szeth's back story will probs start with him declaring that the Desolation was coming, or whatever he did to make himself Truthless, proceed through the trial, if he had one, then end with him being picked up by the Parshendi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted February 21, 2015 Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Smurf covered my main response, but I think we can guess as to why Jasnah feels culpable regarding Gavilar's death: their discussions about the Parshendi expeditions which Jasnah states were one of the few times she felt she connected with her father. I think those discussions, implying she did research for her father, are how she got it into her head she was responsible for his death. This is on top of what Ivory could have told her after she started exploring her Nahel bond with him, to the point she realized that some of what she was researching for her father (about the Unmade, possibly?*) are what led her to believe she was responsible for it happening. Another thing: I think Jasnah had her father's confidence with regards to his visions. I'd very much like to see a private conversation between Jasnah and Dalinar on that subject. * I bring up the Unmade because some of the epigraphs in The Way of Kings are likely her notes collected over the years. The Unmade seem a bit of a non-sequitor for her to be pursuing from what we've seen of folklore -- we don't know if the Unmade are directly linked to Voidbringers in folklore and legends, though Shallan's flashback with the parrot strongly suggests 'yes' -- yet we have an epigraph explicitly discussing Yelig-Nar that Jasnah had unearthed, albeit she states her doubts of the Unmade's existence on account of them being a "product of folklore". (This skepticism of Jasnah is also why I wonder if the Unmade are absent/dormant outside of Desolations, or surely there'd be more reports of their influence on the world that Jasnah would likely have noticed.) Edited February 21, 2015 by dvoraen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunyip99 Posted February 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yeah, I'm really looking forward to Jasnah's return as well. I agree the Dalinar conversation will be enlightening and I'm also interested in her interactions with Shallan and Kaladin. She may also have some new cosmere knowledge to advance the story. I'm not sure if Shallan's brothers will shed light on her mother's motives, and I don't know if Shallan knows. I'm more interested in knowing if she was a part of some faction, the new sky breakers perhaps, and if so, is that why the ghost bloods became connected with Shallan's father. With regard to Kaladin's past, I think it might be important he address his perceived failures and he mentions these specifically. Tukks seems to have been his first trainer in warfare and he respected him. I would like to know more about the Takers and if this is another faction of interest and if Kaladin was a member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bort Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 So I have been wondering lately, how we are going to fill some of the holes in the back stories we have seen so far. In particular, I'm looking at some of Kaladin's relationships which are mentioned in both WOK AND WOR, but are not explored in his flashback sequences. These would include Tarah(a possible lost love), Tukks and the Takers, Goshel and the slave escapes, etc. I am of the belief that most if not all of these characters are dead and will probably not make an appearance in coming books. Also I can,t imagine whose flashback scenes would intersect with these events. Other back story holes I would be interested in learning more about are:- Why Shallan's mother wanted her dead and who her mysterious friend was. How did Szeth come to be in the employ of the Parshendi and how did taravangian end up with his oathstone. Why does Jasnah feel she is responsible for Gavilar's assassination. What is Gavilar's, black stone and where did it come from There are many others, and I wonder how Brandon will get back to them. I don't think we'll be hearing the specifics about Kaladin's past (or, at least, the parts of Kaladin's past that have only just been touched on), and I don't mind that. I think we have the information we need about Kaladin already. I share Bunyip99's belief that Shallan's mother was connected to the Skybreakers, hunting possible Radiants before they become Radiant to prevent the Desolation. I always put Jasnah's guilt over Gavilar's death down to it being the only time they really connected. They talked about the Parshendi, and Jasnah encouraged him which led him down the path where he ended up dead at Szeth's hand. I never really considered that she may have been doing research for him and uncovered something dangerous. This does make sense though, since soon after his death, she delved into the secrets of the Voidbringers. As for Szeth's story and the black sphere, I have a feeling we'll be finding out about those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 I look forward to Jasnah's return, both for her being awesome and lacking backstory, and because she's stuck on a road trip with Hoid and Ivory right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxingwass Posted February 25, 2015 Report Share Posted February 25, 2015 (This skepticism of Jasnah is also why I wonder if the Unmade are absent/dormant outside of Desolations, or surely there'd be more reports of their influence on the world that Jasnah would likely have noticed.) Pretty sure the Unmade are around at least in some form between Desolations since Mr. T and the Diagram have connected the presence of the Thrill with the Unmade (or at least they believe so) and are using presence of the Thrill to track (what they think) is an Unmade. Do we know why it is they think that? Likely part the Super T's revelation day, but not sure if that's been explicitly stated? I too would love a see a conversation between Dalinar and Jasnah! Hopeful for it in SA3! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mckeedee123 Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 The identity of the lighteyes that killed Tien. Kaladin was searching for him for most of his time in the army, but apparently never found him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvoraen Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 (edited) Pretty sure the Unmade are around at least in some form between Desolations since Mr. T and the Diagram have connected the presence of the Thrill with the Unmade (or at least they believe so) and are using presence of the Thrill to track (what they think) is an Unmade. Do we know why it is they think that? Likely part the Super T's revelation day, but not sure if that's been explicitly stated? I too would love a see a conversation between Dalinar and Jasnah! Hopeful for it in SA3! I think this is easy to explain: The Diagram gives rather priviledged information about the Unmade (HMMMM!), though all we have as the readers is just the fragment about Moelach. Presumably, all six that we know of were discussed a little more in detail to Team Diagram. That said, I've gotten the impression that there is always a definitive "start" time for a Desolation, which is basically a "warmup" period before the fullscale fighting breaks out worldwide. On a timeline, it'd look something like this: Desolation ---- Heralds Depart -------------------------- Heralds + Unmade Return* ---- Desolation ---- Heralds Depart * We are here. Everstorm event likely signalled the green light for the main event. Edited February 27, 2015 by dvoraen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Except according to the Stormfather, the Everstorm is something "new, but of ancient design". Could be that it happens every Desolation, but I sort of doubt it. Mostly because the Heralds looked at massive rips in the land an thought 'good job Dustbringers' and not 'Stormforsaken Everstorm!'. I think they would have at least remarked in passing on the widespread devastation that the Everstorm would bring. That said, they don't really mention the Highstorms either. Were those around at the time of the last Desolation? Or is that something that developed as a valve to Honor's power after Tanavast died? I'm pretty confident the unmade (at least 9 of them) were around between present time and the last Desolation. I'm not sure if they would have been around between other Desolations. I currently like the idea that they mirror the Heralds, and only Moelach is active since Nalan reclaimed his Honorblade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waxingwass Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Mostly conjecture here, but I got the feeling from the way the Thrill is discussed, that its been a common and widely experienced, if not discussed part of the Alethi culture for a while since its seems to be accepted as normal. If that's the case, then it would appear that at least some of the Unmade are around between Desolations. I wonder what kind of hijinks (other than the Thrill and death rattles) they are responsible for/involved with? Perhaps they're part of the reason the stay-at-home Heralds are corrupted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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