hawkedup Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Here's a thought... Megan [somewhat] fullfills the hopes of the Faithful by being a "good" epic and therefore gives David hope that other epics can also be good. However, what if every time she dies, she really does pull another version of herself from another dimension? This time she might have pulled a version of herself from a dimension where epics don't go mad/aren't corrupted... That would make both Prof and David right because David was right about her being able to be good, but it also means that his faith is misplaced since she is really just an exception to the rule. It would also mean she is a different person than the one he knew, and that there might not be redemption for other epics (except gifters maybe). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 That is relying heavily on the assumption that it isn't a straight up reincarnation of herself. If what you say is true, then why don't her powers vary slightly every time she brings another version of herself out of the void? Not all of her powers would be the same, and the weakness would be different. Instead, it's all the same. She even retains memories of herself (except of her dying). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmTheBeard Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) When she is explaining that she thinks that her powers grab another version of her from another reality, she is talking about a reality where she didn't die. So it's not a drastically different version of her, in the same way the version of Prof's bubbles she grabbed was only off by where they were, not anything significant. That's not to say she couldn't grab versions of things that are very different, because she does. But her belief about her "reincarnation" power is that it grabs a very similar version of her that didn't just die. Edit: That's why she doesn't remember dying, of course. It's an identical her up until the events leading to her death. Edited January 25, 2015 by IAmTheBeard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 On a more meta level, such a cruel twist--making all Epics completely, irreversibly irredeemable, even if they received their powers through no fault of their own--seems to fly in the face of Sanderson's religious beliefs. So that he would go for that twist seems unlikely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 As a character study, it wouldn't be too far fetched for him to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dankworth he/him Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Even if she pulls a slight variant of herself from a near-identical reality when she reincarnates, if she had grabbed a version of from a world were Epics weren't corrupt, she would not be surprised at not wanting to kill David, because she would never have felt that urge when using her powers. More importantly, she would not recognize David or any of the others, or remember anything that has happened since Epics started to appear. Without the corruption, their would have been no disaster in Oregon, no Newcago, no Babilar, and no Reckoners. David would have grown up as a regular kid in Chicago and never met her; Cody would still be a cop in the South; Megan would probably have stayed in the Northeast. A Megan from a world with Epics but without the corruption might have met Prof and Tia at some sort of Epics' convention or something, but would never have seen any of the others or fought any of their battles. That Megan's reaction to appearing where and how she did might have been something like "Where am I? Who was that creep in the lab coat and who are you? ....Why are you staring at me? ...Why am I naked?! STOP LOOKING, SLONTZE!!! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulcastJam he/him Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 OP: I don't think you're right but I like the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Consider it like this: two means, from two identical worlds. The two worlds are 100% identical, until an event happens- Megan gets shot in one world, but the bullet misses her in the other. Her powers make a copy of the alive Megan the next day to pull into dead Megan's world, and she is reincarnated. It isn't a random Megan, its a Megan from an identical world where she didn't die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarcasm she/her Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 (edited) Consider it like this: two means, from two identical worlds. The two worlds are 100% identical, until an event happens- Megan gets shot in one world, but the bullet misses her in the other. Her powers make a copy of the alive Megan the next day to pull into dead Megan's world, and she is reincarnated. It isn't a random Megan, its a Megan from an identical world where she didn't die. So what happens with Megan in the other world? Does she cease to exist? And if Megan in the other world has the same powers, what if the same situation happened backwards, where Megan on Earth dodged a bullet and other Megan died, and reincarnated by pulling REAL Megan out of Earth? It's kind of a paradox... though I'm pretty sure this dimension idea will have a big role in Calamity. Edited May 5, 2015 by Sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dankworth he/him Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 Consider it like this: two means, from two identical worlds. The two worlds are 100% identical, until an event happens- Megan gets shot in one world, but the bullet misses her in the other. Her powers make a copy of the alive Megan the next day to pull into dead Megan's world, and she is reincarnated. It isn't a random Megan, its a Megan from an identical world where she didn't die. It could work that way--and probably does; but in that case, the Megan we saw at the end of Firefight still had to have been cleaned of the corruption by facing her fear of fire. In an identical world, Epics would still be evil, and the main point of this thread is whether Megan was pulled from a world where they aren't--see my previous post on what a Megan from such a world would be like upon waking in the "real" world of the Reckoners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted May 5, 2015 Report Share Posted May 5, 2015 So what happens with Megan in the other world? Does she cease to exist? And is Megan in the other world has the same powers, what if the same situation happened backwards, where Megan on Earth dodged a bullet and other Megan died, and reincarnated by pulling REAL Megan out of Earth? It's kind of a paradox... though I'm pretty sure this dimension idea will have a big role in Calamity. Fair point, which is why I think the powers make a copy of the alive megan to take into this world. It could work that way--and probably does; but in that case, the Megan we saw at the end of Firefight still had to have been cleaned of the corruption by facing her fear of fire. In an identical world, Epics would still be evil, and the main point of this thread is whether Megan was pulled from a world where they aren't--see my previous post on what a Megan from such a world would be like upon waking in the "real" world of the Reckoners. The thing is I don't think that would ever happen, or could ever happen if the powers function in the way Megan suspects (and is scared) that they do. The power wouldn't pull a Megan from a world where Epics aren't evil, because that world diverged from this one a long time ago, not the moment Megan died. The theory of multiple universes that this power references is that every single time a decision is made, or an event occurs, a multitude of universes are created, each one containing an identical reality- with the sole exception that that one decision or event occurred a different way each time. Whenever you choose to go left, a universe is created where you went right. So when Megan shot herself with the remote-controlled gun, a universe was created where she escaped a different way, or where Prof decided to let her escape, or whatever. Or maybe earlier than that- maybe David was quicker and he got there in time to save her. Universes being created every time a single separate decision is made. So universes would be out there where she faced her fear but survived without killing herself. The powers are not stupid. What they do (assuming Megan's suspicions are correct) is that whenever she dies, they pick one of these split universes, that have just been created, where she didn't die. They don't rummage back through her timeline forever, they don't go back 13 years to a universe where Calamity created good Epics and then copy that Megan, they just simply wouldn't. You're positing a question that relies on the powers acting completely out of whack to how they have acted so far, I'm sorry to say. the point is, that yeah, if Megan was pulled from a good-Epic world, she would have no idea what is going on. therefore, current Megan couldn't have been pulled from such a world, because she knows what is going on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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