natc Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 and then force pull it back to your hand. probably takes about as long as it would to resummon a normal shardblade, depending on location, etc. We're specifying Radiant shardblades. Those are nearly instant-summon assuming the spren isn't preoccupied being dead or something.
Dunkum he/him Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Right, I'd forgotten the Radiant part. I still stand by the Force reflexes being close enough to burning Atium to counter almost anything a windrunner can do though
Shaggai Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 and then force pull it back to your hand. probably takes about as long as it would to resummon a normal shardblade, depending on location, etc. Well, it was partially a joke. Still, Windrunners are pretty powerful. Even if you discount Lashings, they can heal pretty much anything a lightsaber can do, and they're absurdly fast.
Dunkum he/him Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Well, it was partially a joke. Still, Windrunners are pretty powerful. Even if you discount Lashings, they can heal pretty much anything a lightsaber can do, and they're absurdly fast. healing a lost limb takes concentration, time, and a lot of stormlight. hardly somethign you can do on the fly in a fight. Maybe with a highstorm constantly replenishing your stormlight.
Shaggai Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 healing a lost limb takes concentration, time, and a lot of stormlight. hardly somethign you can do on the fly in a fight. Maybe with a highstorm constantly replenishing your stormlight. Yes, it's difficult for a Radiant, but it's impossible for a Jedi.
Redbird he/him Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 How about a sith? I feel like a sith would win hands down. - Force lightning causes burns, which use more stormlight to heal - Just snapping the KR's neck with the force - But, sith have next to no healing ability
natc Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 How many lashings to a given projectile would it take to make it too fast to react to? Lash up a storm of objects to overwhelm them, fall in as fast as you can, then morph the Blade when they least expect it to take out their arms maybe?
Dunkum he/him Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 How many lashings to a given projectile would it take to make it too fast to react to? Lash up a storm of objects to overwhelm them, fall in as fast as you can, then morph the Blade when they least expect it to take out their arms maybe? how much stormlight would that take? and bear in mind that anakin's jedi reflexes are what allowed him to be a pod racer, so however fast those things were supposed to go is apparently not too fast to dodge if you are good (though I understand if you would prefer to ignore the prequels)
natc Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Well if we fight under highstorm conditions it might work . . . though the lashing would be slightly inaccurate. I'm not from one of those countries where Star Wars had nearly as much cultural impact as it appears to have in America and wherever else, so I don't really feel the need to ignore a particular episode, prequel or not. It's just been a while since I've watched them really. I still have a general idea what jedi can do, but the details surrounding their limits have since gotten fuzzy.
Dunkum he/him Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 well, the limits aren't definitely established, at least not outside of the extended universe, which I have zero familiarity with. But you can pick up bits and pieces: Yoda could lift an x-wing (about the size of a small fighter plane), and claims that size is unimportant, so force strength should be pretty impressive. Anakin can pod race, and Qui-gonn claims it is because he is actually seeing things before they happen and reacting to them that he is able to avoid obstacles at those speeds. probably if I felt like sitting down and watching them all i could pull out a few more data points on that. also, someone above mentioned that a Sith might have an easier time with this, since they are less upright, and more willing to do things like shoot lightning and force choke people
Guest Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Yes, it's difficult for a Radiant, but it's impossible for a Jedi. We don't know that it's impossible for a Jedi because we've never seen a Jedi get his arm killed by a Shardblade. It seems as though it could be fixed with the Force. @Redbird3000: I agree with you about the Sith winning hands down.
Shaggai Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 We don't know that it's impossible for a Jedi because we've never seen a Jedi get his arm killed by a Shardblade. It seems as though it could be fixed with the Force. @Redbird3000: I agree with you about the Sith winning hands down. We have, however, seen a Jedi (well, Jedi in training, but still) get his hand cut off. It got replaced with a mechanical one. I don't think a Sith would win so easily. Yes, Force lightning is powerful, but look at what Szeth was able to do with Lashings alone. A full Windrunner has incredible speed and strength, and can fly.
Guest Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 We have, however, seen a Jedi (well, Jedi in training, but still) get his hand cut off. It got replaced with a mechanical one. I don't think a Sith would win so easily. Yes, Force lightning is powerful, but look at what Szeth was able to do with Lashings alone. A full Windrunner has incredible speed and strength, and can fly. A Jedi with his hand cut completely off is way different than a Jedi wins his hand dead. I think a Jedi could heal his connection with a Shardblade-severed hand. A Sith, I believe, would have a better chance than a Jedi by virtue of Force Lightning. It's more easily aimed.
Shaggai Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 A Jedi with his hand cut completely off is way different than a Jedi wins his hand dead. I think a Jedi could heal his connection with a Shardblade-severed hand. A Sith, I believe, would have a better chance than a Jedi by virtue of Force Lightning. It's more easily aimed. But do Jedi even have fast-working healing powers? Better than a Jedi, sure. Not necessary at the level of "curbstomps Windrunner".
Guest Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) But do Jedi even have fast-working healing powers? Better than a Jedi, sure. Not necessary at the level of "curbstomps Windrunner". No, but we don't know how a Jedi would fare against a Shardblade wound.Edit: You have given me an idea for a new Cosmere theory though. Edited January 18, 2015 by inexorablePanda
Creecher he/him Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I'd say a lightsaber would win, because if the user removed the suppressors that keep the blade at its current length, sure the power supply would vanish quickly, but suddenly you've got an infinite range sword with almost no weight. I'd just point it at the Shardbearer, remove the filters, and hold it steady while it obliterates his Shardplate and sears through his skull.
Curious Anamaximder he/him Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I'm confused. Don't lightsabers cut off only hands.
the Gleeman he/him Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 You also need to specify the style of lightsaber combat. Forms 2, 6, or 7 could almost definitely defeat a KR and form 4 would be... interesting. Also, advanced techniques such as a dual phase saber or tràkata (deactivating/reactivating the blade to bypass an opponents defenses) could work similar to a changing shardblade. yeah, this. Jedi win. 2
Darkarma he/him Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 (edited) On a purely Plasma blade of a Lightsaber vs a Shardblade? I'd say stalemate. Even synthetic crystals used in lightsabers have to be attuned to the force before a lightsaber even works. Most lightsabers use Kyber crystals which very much are force attuned. Essentially SW's equivalent of Investment. And since the lightsabers some how produce that plasma through force attuned crystals... I'd say the plasma itself has a level of investiture, not including a Shard wieldier having to fight the magnetic containment. The real question we have to ask, is how much damage can a spren's shard form hold up to physical thermal damage? Are they truly indestructable? I ask this because lightsabers are essentially highly confined miniature suns in the way they can tear through metals that have 3000F+ melting temperatures like theyare butter. Now a Radiant vs a Jedi is a whole other animal. Edited May 8, 2015 by Darkarma 2
Patrick Star Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Shardblade vs Lightsaber - Lightsaber wins. Sprenblade (or Radiantblade, or Honorblade, or Nightblood) vs Lightsaber - Lightsaber loses. 1
Creecher he/him Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 You also need to specify the style of lightsaber combat. Forms 2, 6, or 7 could almost definitely defeat a KR and form 4 would be... interesting. Also, advanced techniques such as a dual phase saber or tràkata (deactivating/reactivating the blade to bypass an opponents defenses) could work similar to a changing shardblade. yeah, this. Jedi win. No offense intended, but you are to nerds what nerds are to the surface-dwelling non-basement-living-non-Sanderson-reading majority.
Voidus Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 It also largely depends on the combatants.Padawan vs. Dalinar? Dalinar wins hands down.Mace Windu vs. Shallan? Windu for sure. 1
Patrick Star Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 I don't think that a lightsaber could beat a sprenblade. A sprenblade is just too fast and versatile. I guess that Nighblood could lose to a saber, since he's just a sword. And we don't know what honorblades can do, yet. 2
the Gleeman he/him Posted May 12, 2015 Posted May 12, 2015 No offense intended, but you are to nerds what nerds are to the surface-dwelling non-basement-living-non-Sanderson-reading majority. But I live in the attic... Star wars and Marvel comics/Batman were my hobby before Sanderson and Wheel of Time. I try. 2
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