ostrichofevil he/him Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Who wins in a fight: Jasnah or Szeth. Post how they win below! EDIT - Oops! Spheres, not spears. Edited December 30, 2014 by ostrichofevil
Patrick Star Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Ummm... What? I mean, if Jasnah has stormlight, it's like using deep freeze or horn drill. Neither one of them can use a spear, though Szeth has an edge there. Besides, Szeth's too busy moping, yelling at Nightblood, walking to Shinovar, and being insane and despondent (insanely despondent?) to have time to seek out Jasnah and fight her, much less with a spear.
Witty Username he/him Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Jasnah has Soulcasting. Soulcasting is a bit of a game breaker in these sorts of things, particularly when it comes to someone as bright as Jasnah. Add to that the ability to retreat to Elsecall and get out of any sticky situation at a moment's notice and it's hard to imagine any sort of contest.
Kobold King he/him Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Question: can you Soulcast an individual who is imbued with Stormlight? 1
Mimiddle04 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) Ummm... What? I mean, if Jasnah has stormlight, it's like using deep freeze or horn drill. Neither one of them can use a spear, though Szeth has an edge there. Besides, Szeth's too busy moping, yelling at Nightblood, walking to Shinovar, and being insane and despondent (insanely despondent?) to have time to seek out Jasnah and fight her, much less with a spear. He meant spheres. Also he specified pre-death and resurrection so no yelling at Nightblood quite yet. Just Windrunner against Elsecaller...if I'm remembering Jasnah's order correctly. I don't know if she could soulcast him the way she did the men in the streets but I think that'd be her only shot of not dying very quickly. EDIT: I realize you might have been using sarcasm with the spear comment, but it'd still be a pre Nightblood fight. Edited December 30, 2014 by Mimiddle04 1
Witty Username he/him Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 I don't know if she could soulcast him the way she did the men in the streets but I think that'd be her only shot of not dying very quickly. Soulcast the air around him into lead or similar, Soulcast a barrier between them to buy time, just Elsecall away as soon as she recognises him as the Assassin In White. I mean, it's not like he can follow her if she does. 1
Mimiddle04 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Question: can you Soulcast an individual who is imbued with Stormlight? I don't think you can, but it's sort of ambiguous from what we know. There is a WoB that states invested objects can't be soulcast, but that doesn't mean a person holding some investiture can't be soulcast because everyone has innate investiture and Jasnah soulcasted those thugs. So at some point investiture prevents souldcasting but we're not sure at what point that is.
Patrick Star Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Sorry about that, I'm quite a bit under the weather today. For some reason, I read it as they have spheres, spears, and no honorblade for Szeth. I should probably get some sleep now 1
Mimiddle04 Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 Soulcast the air around him into lead or similar, Soulcast a barrier between them to buy time, just Elsecall away as soon as she recognises him as the Assassin In White. I mean, it's not like he can follow her if she does. True. I guess very quickly might not be so accurate if she was content to just keep running away. But that's not really a fight as much as a game of hide and seek. She'd have to act extremely quickly though as any barrier she threw up wouldn't last long. Maybe if she could make it tight enough that he couldn't move she cold suffocate him or something. There are ways she could win depending on what all is possible with soulcasting.
Witty Username he/him Posted December 30, 2014 Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) True. I guess very quickly might not be so accurate if she was content to just keep running away. But that's not really a fight as much as a game of hide and seek. She'd have to act extremely quickly though as any barrier she threw up wouldn't last long. Maybe if she could make it tight enough that he couldn't move she cold suffocate him or something. There are ways she could win depending on what all is possible with soulcasting. There's also the fact that Surgebinding granted by Honorblades uses more Stormlight than that granted by a Nahel Bond (at least, according to Syl) so if it turns into a battle of attrition Jasnah would likely have the advantage. Edited December 30, 2014 by Witty Username
DocHoliday he/him Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 A nature of attrition seems unlikely to me. This is a fight that would be decided in seconds I think.
KevinTheHerdazian he/him Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) Well jasnah can't suffocate him by surrounding him with lead since he doesn't need to breathe. Also soulcasting takes more stormlight than "windrunning" (is that the proper term?) if she does trap him he can still lash himself at her direction and maybe kill her. If she teleports away he can slowly cut free his wrist with the honour blade, then cut himself free after that. But if she makes the lead around him to thick to where his blade can't get through then he will run out of stormlight before he can cut himself free. ( him cutting himself free is only possible if it is possible to summon the blade on any part of the hand and slowly summon/cut himself out.) Edited December 31, 2014 by KevinTheHerdazian
Witty Username he/him Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 Well jasnah can't suffocate him by surrounding him with lead since he doesn't need to breathe The Stormlight won't last forever - it leaks off his skin too. Plus if he can't move, he can't attack - lashing might work, but evidently Jasnah has good enough reflexes to use her Elsecalling while being stabbed, so it seems unlikely.
KevinTheHerdazian he/him Posted December 31, 2014 Posted December 31, 2014 That's what I was saying about him not being able to escape the lead.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 3, 2015 Posted January 3, 2015 Hand to hand - Szeth is a machine Blade to blade - Szeth would win Surge to Surge - Can you soul cast a person who is invested(?) and deportation she hasn't got a handle on that yet.. To me Szeth is the clear winner.
CHOUTAGOD he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Szeth would win in a straight up fight I think. But since there using spheres, and we dont know where they are fighting its hard to say. WAY to many variables when you are fighting! One mistake or lucky hit and its probably over. Can you soulcast an object or person you are not looking at but know the exactly where it is? 1
KevinTheHerdazian he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 You just need to be able to see the bead of them in shadesmar, so even if you can't see them you might be able to grab their bead and soulcast it. Your welcome chouta. 1
Voidus Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Soulcasting the air around a person would be pretty difficult, I doubt that there's a cognitive aspect just for that. I think it would come down to who got the jump on who. If Jasnah was one of his targets Szeth could probably fly up to her and sever her spine before she could think to Soulcast anything, if Jasnah was hunting Szeth she could Soulcast the ground under him into acid or something.
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Soulcasting the air around a person would be pretty difficult, I doubt that there's a cognitive aspect just for that. I think it would come down to who got the jump on who. If Jasnah was one of his targets Szeth could probably fly up to her and sever her spine before she could think to Soulcast anything, if Jasnah was hunting Szeth she could Soulcast the ground under him into acid or something. Soulcasting the ground isn´t all that useful against a guy that can fly. Plus, I don´t think we have never seen Jasnah succesfully creating something that is more complex than one of the ten essences (granted strawberry marmelade isn´t exactly the best measurement) and she still needs/cracks gems, so a move like this could greatly hamper her soulcasting capability.
Argent he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I am legally obligated to vote Jasnah in any and everything that has "Jasnah vs. X" 1
KevinTheHerdazian he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 They soulcast air all the time in to buildings which are hollow, granted some of them are made by wood first them into stone but some are just straight out of air. WoR first Kaladin viewpoint. I don't have my book with me so I can't get the exact quote. And szeth isn't that fast to kill her before she even sees him. She can see his flame is shadesmar so he can't sneak and attack her without her knowing. 1
KevinTheHerdazian he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 But they would make a good couple.... 1
RawToast225 he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I am legally obligated to vote Jasnah in any and everything that has "Jasnah vs. X" Um.... Why? I get emotionally compelled, but legally obligated? But they would make a good couple.... Lol What makes you say that?
Argent he/him Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Um.... Why? I get emotionally compelled, but legally obligated? Not mutually exclusive.
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