Dragonsteel and Liar of partinel

[Emeralis00 she/her]

As I was going through some of the topics, I noticed that people made references to books called Dragonsteel and Liar of Partinel.  Could anyone explain to me what they are and where do I find them.  (if they can be found)

put this in general theories because I don't know where to put it

[Chaos he/him]

Sure thing. Here's a good place to put them, because there isn't really a place for unpublished stuff.

Dragonsteel was Brandon's masters thesis when he was getting a masters in Creative Writing. There's one copy in existence at the BYU library, though some forumers tell me that that copy may have been destroyed or kept. If a new one is bound, you may be able to get it on Inter-Library Loan.

On the same world, Liar of Partinel is the book Brandon was working on before the Wheel of Time got dumped on him. A draft of it was completed, but Brandon isn't happy with it. He tried discovery writing with it, and apparently it didn't work well. He had to put it on hold. Apparently, you can find a few sample chapters of it on his website if you look hard enough.

That's the simple version. Here's a little more detailed version:

It is confirmed that Liar of Partinel is a duology, with Liar being the first one (the second one may be called the Lightweaver of Rens, if I recall correctly). Dragonsteel will be set a couple hundred years later, and will be five books long. Today, Brandon explained pretty much everything for his later books. He said that the main Dragonsteel epic won't start until after Stormlight Archive is finished.

As for theories, Yolen (the planet these books take place) is extremely important. Brandon said Hoid was there when Adonalsium was Shattered. It's also important to note that the person we now know as Hoid is in fact Midius from Liar of Partinel (it's been confirmed!). This leads us to believe Liar is the book where Adonalsium gets Shattered (or I guess its sequel). Certainly, Brandon isn't emailing copies of Liar around, because he said "it spoils too much".

[Emeralis00 she/her]

Thanks Chaos.

I guess I'll wait until Brandon releases the actual copy.

[Chaos he/him]

That's a good idea. I read Dragonsteel, and while it has some interesting tidbits, it is as Brandon has stated: it's an exceptionally mediocre book.

[mycoltbug]

Filled with spoilers of greatness and hours worth of deep pondering. They are fun reads that's for sure.

If you love me go here [move]http://www.timewastersguide.com/forum/index.php?topic=7292.0[/move] Miyabi has links for the few chapters of Liar and a revision chapter.

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[Deano Stormblessed he/him]

I believe, the not 100% certain, that the planet that Liar and Dragonsteel are set on is in the same solar system as Roshar...or am i thinking of another planet?

[Ari he/him]

I believe, the not 100% certain, that the planet that Liar and Dragonsteel are set on is in the same solar system as Roshar...or am i thinking of another planet?

This question's in the interview- the world that shares a solar system with Roshar is the setting for The Silence Divine.

[Axarno Blueblade he/him]

I know Dragonsteel is still at BYU. I have a friend currently reading it. 

[taveren he/him]

so was Adonalsium already shattered in dragonsteel

[the.fulgid he/him]

so was Adonalsium already shattered in dragonsteel

 

I actually just asked Brandon about his at the Shadows of Self book signing. I also thought Dragonsteel was post-Shattering, but he clarified: ALL novels in the Dragonsteel series (Liar of Partinel, Lightweaver of Rens, Dragonsteel Prime, and the other four sequels) are pre-Shattering. That's the purpose of the series, to explain HOW Adonalsium was shattered, and why.

 

For further clarification on those books, I've read his sample chapters from Liar of Partinel, and they're not bad. Only really pertains to the Dragonsteel series thus far, doens't help to understand any of the other Cosmere novels. It IS interesting, however, to read those chapters and then Dragonsteel Prime, which is indeed set hundreds of years later, and realize that the characters you're reading about (Midius and Topaz) are the SAME person, who is also Wit.

 

As for Dragonsteel Prime, there are actually THREE copies at the BYU library, and Brandon has his own original copy. So four total in existence. It's a good read, not his best work, but definitely my favorite story. Unfortunatley most of it isn't cannon anymore, as at least half was directly lifted and placed in Way of Kings. It provides much greater insight into the Cosmere, though, and how things came to be as they are now.

[DSC01 he/him]

Here are the Liar of Partinel sample chapters: http://brandonsanderson.com/drafts/warbreaker/LiarPt12.doc

[Jozomby he/him]

Is there a place anywhere where it's permitted to discuss Dragonsteel? It's my understanding that we're not supposed to talk about it in the forums, but is there a specific board where it's allowed?  If there is, I haven't been able to find it.

[the.fulgid he/him]

Is there a place anywhere where it's permitted to discuss Dragonsteel? It's my understanding that we're not supposed to talk about it in the forums, but is there a specific board where it's allowed?  If there is, I haven't been able to find it.

 

If you find one, let me know. I've got a million theories on different things about that book, and would love to discuss them. Unfortunately none of my cosmere-enthusiast friends have read it, so I can't really theorize with them about things pertaining to it.

Edited October 28, 2015 by the.fulgid

[Jozomby he/him]

I actually just asked Brandon about his at the Shadows of Self book signing. I also thought Dragonsteel was post-Shattering, but he clarified: ALL novels in the Dragonsteel series (Liar of Partinel, Lightweaver of Rens, Dragonsteel Prime, and the other four sequels) are pre-Shattering. That's the purpose of the series, to explain HOW Adonalsium was shattered, and why.

 

I was thinking about this statement some more, and if Dragonsteel is pre-shattering, then I think we have a pretty good candidate for the "entity that opposes Adonalsium" or however it was phrased.  Anyways, just makes me want to find somewhere to discuss Dragonsteel even more.

[WeiryWriter he/him]

I actually just asked Brandon about his at the Shadows of Self book signing. I also thought Dragonsteel was post-Shattering, but he clarified: ALL novels in the Dragonsteel series (Liar of Partinel, Lightweaver of Rens, Dragonsteel Prime, and the other four sequels) are pre-Shattering. That's the purpose of the series, to explain HOW Adonalsium was shattered, and why.

 

For further clarification on those books, I've read his sample chapters from Liar of Partinel, and they're not bad. Only really pertains to the Dragonsteel series thus far, doens't help to understand any of the other Cosmere novels. It IS interesting, however, to read those chapters and then Dragonsteel Prime, which is indeed set hundreds of years later, and realize that the characters you're reading about (Midius and Topaz) are the SAME person, who is also Wit.

 

As for Dragonsteel Prime, there are actually THREE copies at the BYU library, and Brandon has his own original copy. So four total in existence. It's a good read, not his best work, but definitely my favorite story. Unfortunatley most of it isn't cannon anymore, as at least half was directly lifted and placed in Way of Kings. It provides much greater insight into the Cosmere, though, and how things came to be as they are now.

 

Huh, he's changed his mind on that then because I remember at one point the plan was for Liar/Lightweaver to be pre-Shattering and then the rest of the Dragonsteel sequence being several hundred years later post-Shattering.

 

Anyway would you mind posting about this in the event thread for whatever event it was at?  Thank you.

 

Is there a place anywhere where it's permitted to discuss Dragonsteel? It's my understanding that we're not supposed to talk about it in the forums, but is there a specific board where it's allowed?  If there is, I haven't been able to find it.

 

There is no place to discuss unpublished books at this time.  I believe there are plans in the works for forums about White Sand and Aether of Night but there are no plans for Dragonsteel (as the first two are somewhat publicly available, the latter is much more restricted).