Wit422 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Who would win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hoid. Normally, I'm against siding with him in theories. We don't know enough about him. In this case, however, I have a reason. Shardblades are more powerful than most of the powers in Scardrial, but it would hardly harm Hoid. Besides, Hoid is said to have most of the same powers of TLR. No contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon he/him Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 hoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 Hoid can't or won't hurt people. So... of TLR vs Hoid, if TLR has more metal, him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurkistan he/him Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 @Moogle Mightn't you want to shift this to Cosmere Theories, rather than Stormlight? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) Good idea. Consider it done. Should have realized it myself. Edited November 13, 2014 by Moogle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wit422 Posted November 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 My bad... Was looking at stormlight A and I forgot to change before I posted... Lord ruler, and who else? Kelsier perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 No, a steel inquisitor or maybe Vin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 The God King might be up there on power levels? I'm not sure how an Awakener with thousand and thousands of Breath would fare against TLR. Otherwise, as far as high power levels go... I'd go with Jasnah, I guess. Shallan, if she can do the same Soulcasting-at-range trick. Hoid might be too Invested for that to work on him, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggai Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Hoid. Hoid is, apparently, practically invincible. He claims to have spent the better part of a year being digested. He's immune to Shardblades. Sure, he can't do any direct harm, but on the other hand he might, with some luck, be able to tip things into a rebellion against the Lord Ruler, thereby getting him killed by Preservation's champion. On the other hand, that's rather unlikely. He'd probably never manage it. Oh, wait. He did. It's debatable how much he actually shaped the rebellion, but he almost certainly influenced things quite a bit, behind the scenes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twenty@20 he/him Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 That's a slam dunk Shaggai. Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggai Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter he/him Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Who's more dangerous..an MMA fighter...or Vladimir Putin? One of them can obviously kill you...the other is playing a whole different game...and can still kill you....... Not to be vague...but TLR is dead...and hoid Isn't...sooo....I'd say that hoid already won this fight... Edited November 14, 2014 by hoidhunter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Couldn't Hoid just walk up to the Lord Ruler, and remove all his metal minds turning him into a pile of ash? Hoid then did not do direct hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Couldn't Hoid just walk up to the Lord Ruler, and remove all his metal minds turning him into a pile of ash? Hoid then did not do direct hard. What do you mean by 'removing all his metalminds'? What magic system are you proposing he'd use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 What do you mean by 'removing all his metalminds'? What magic system are you proposing he'd use? Well everyone was stating, and from what I believe myself as well is that Hoid has more powers and is more "indestructible" than the Lord Ruler. So he could use whatever ability necessary, whether it be illusion, compounding or etc, to remove the lord rulers atium metalminds. Basically do what Vin did, but easier with all his powers. Hoid is not directly harming the lord ruler, but the lord ruler is still defeated. I was just commenting on the fact that everyone said the biggest limitation of Hoid is being unable to harm anyone, so I was pointing out a loophole Hoid could theoretically exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Well everyone was stating, and from what I believe myself as well is that Hoid has more powers and is more "indestructible" than the Lord Ruler. So he could use whatever ability necessary, whether it be illusion, compounding or etc, to remove the lord rulers atium metalminds. Basically do what Vin did, but easier with all his powers. Hoid is not directly harming the lord ruler, but the lord ruler is still defeated. I was just commenting on the fact that everyone said the biggest limitation of Hoid is being unable to harm anyone, so I was pointing out a loophole Hoid could theoretically exploit. I'm wondering where everyone is getting this Hoid cannot harm people from. The man basically admitted to being willing to let a whole world burn to accomplish his goals. Killing people is tame by comparison and may be necessary to accomplish his overarching goal. There is no way he would not kill people, he would just do it quietly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckat she/her Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I'm wondering where everyone is getting this Hoid cannot harm people from. The man basically admitted to being willing to let a whole world burn to accomplish his goals. Killing people is tame by comparison and may be necessary to accomplish his overarching goal. There is no way he would not kill people, he would just do it quietly. There's this quote from Brandon QUESTIONFinally, and most importantly, if all your protagonists had an epic all out brawl, who would win? BRANDON SANDERSONSome of them are immortal, but that would kind of be cheating. If you let people who are immortal participate, it's going to very much favor someone like Hoid, who is really, really, really hard to kill. Of course, he would not be very good at offing anyone either, because of certain things in his past. It would be really futile when it got down to the last two. But if we take that out. Source And there's a couple of mentions in WoR, like Rock's Lunu'anaki not harming people (I think that's Hoid), and I remember Hoid saying somewhere that he's not good at hurting people in WoR, but I don't have the book on me right now so I can't quote it. So in a fight like this, Hoid wouldn't kill anyone directly, so he wouldn't win, but I don't think he'd lose either since he's so hard to kill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawToast225 he/him Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 To be fair, you can win without killing. A definition of winning is a prevalent theme in a lot of Orson Scott Card's books. It's that to win, you only have to incapacitate your opponents, or at least take away their ability to wage war against you. Hoid wouldn't have to kill anyone to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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