So about the end of WaT

[Beholder He/him]

So at the end of WaT, when Odium became Retribution, Stormlight was unexisted, no more Honour, no more Stormlight. But would that also mean that Voidlight was unexisted, and, what would that mean for the Fused?   

Edited 11 hours ago by Beholder

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Beholder said:

So at the end of WaT, when Odium became Retribution, Stormlight was unexisted, no more Honour, no more Stormlight. But would that also mean that Voidlight was unexisted, and, what would that mean for the Fused?   

Oh! I thought about this a bit earlier! Slightly different viewpoint, but the same result.

Radiants can use Towerlight because it is Stormlight+another thing. It would make sense that Fused can use Warlight, because it is Voidlight+another thing. Fused belong to Retribution anyway, so he will fix any issues.

[Beholder He/him]

3 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Oh! I thought about this a bit earlier! Slightly different viewpoint, but the same result.

Radiants can use Towerlight because it is Stormlight+another thing. It would make sense that Fused can use Warlight, because it is Voidlight+another thing. Fused belong to Retribution anyway, so he will fix any issues.

That's what I thought but you know the Listeners on the Shattered Plains, Retribution said that he would give them Warlight and that they could use that for something? This kinda feels like an opportunity for new Surgebinders. On another note its kinda funny Odium doesn't have a clue where his Perpendicularity is.

Edited 11 hours ago by Beholder

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Beholder said:

That's what I thought but you know the Listeners on the Shattered Plains, Retribution said that he would give them Warlight and that they could use that for something? This kinda feels like an opportunity for new Surgebinders.

Yeah, they may use that for their Surges, but odds are the second they start fighting him he just won’t give them Light.

 

3 minutes ago, Beholder said:

On another note its kinda funny Odium doesn't have a clue where his Perpendicularity is.

Probably fourth moon stuff. We have no idea what’s going on there, what properties it has, or really anything else. He probably doesn’t either.

[Frustration]

6 minutes ago, Beholder said:

On another note its kinda funny Odium doesn't have a clue where his Perpendicularity is.

What makes you say that?

That was the whole reason he tried so hard to take the Shattered plains.

[Beholder He/him]

6 minutes ago, Frustration said:

What makes you say that?

That was the whole reason he tried so hard to take the Shattered plains.

No 'cause in WaT Venli says this 

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"No one knows where Odium's is. At least … no one did. The Fused talked about it, that Odium doesn't trust anyone to know its location, after an event they wouldn't speak of." 

It might mean that Odium does know where the perpendicularity is but nobody else does or... he lost it. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Beholder

[Frustration]

1 minute ago, Beholder said:

No 'cause in WaT Venli says this 

It might mean that Odium does know where the perpendicularity is but nobody else does or... he lost it. 

Nobody else does, Odium 100% knows where it's at

Spoiler

Zaqwer (paraphrased)

How much control do Shards have over where their perpendicularity manifests?

Karen Ahlstrom (paraphrased)

Quite a lot of control. If you're thinking of Wind and Truth, then it was put there for a reason. He hid it on purpose.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/549/#e16964

 

 

 

[Beholder He/him]

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

Nobody else does, Odium 100% knows where it's at

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Zaqwer (paraphrased)

How much control do Shards have over where their perpendicularity manifests?

Karen Ahlstrom (paraphrased)

Quite a lot of control. If you're thinking of Wind and Truth, then it was put there for a reason. He hid it on purpose.

https://wob.coppermind.net/events/549/#e16964

 

 

 

Huh okay. And he now just let's the Listeners have it? Maybe he's going to move it soon, or try to.

[Returned he/him]

1 hour ago, Beholder said:

So at the end of WaT, when Odium became Retribution, Stormlight was unexisted, no more Honour, no more Stormlight. But would that also mean that Voidlight was unexisted, and, what would that mean for the Fused?   

I think that Retribution probably could still produce Voidlight  or allow it to exist, similar to how lerasium and atium can still exist and be produced after Harmony's ascension. But it's not really in Retribution's interest to continue with Stormlight since it's a major resource for his enemies, while Voidlight (or Warlight) might be just a good for his  own forces.

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"No one knows where Odium's is. At least … no one did. The Fused talked about it, that Odium doesn't trust anyone to know its location, after an event they wouldn't speak of." 

This quote itself indicates that Odium knows where the perpendicularity is: he doesn't trust anyone to know its location, suggesting he could tell but chooses not to, not that he is incapable of telling anyone because he, himself, doesn't know.

Whatever the reason it was placed on the Shattered Plains, it might still be important enough that it be there even if the Listeners maintain or control terrestrial access to it. Maybe he'll move it anyways (it doesn't seem like all that big of a deal to form one after Lost Metal, at least). The Listeners aren't very lorewise compared with the Fused, so maybe if it's not hidden it's better that they control access to it than that Fused like El be able to.

[Beholder He/him]

1 hour ago, Returned said:

 similar to how lerasium and atium can still exist and be produced after Harmony's ascension.

Aha, thank you for saying this, because while lerasium and atium can exist they cannot  be produced. What happened in TLM was a fluke, arising from the struggle between Preservation and Ruin. It is incredibly unlikely that Retribution, unless far stronger or Connected could split his essence into Stormlight and Voidlight as can be seen at the end of WaT, Retribution has a far better dynamic than Harmony. 

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[Returned he/him]

5 minutes ago, Beholder said:

they cannot  be produced. What happened in TLM was a fluke

These two statements contradict: if it can be done, it can be done, and since we know it was done, it can be done. Unless I've missed or am forgetting something definitive and official I think we should be cautious in assuming we know enough about the mechanics of how the lerasium and atium were made that we can broadly define things as impossible. There are other differences between Harmony and Retribution, perhaps most relevantly that Honor is more independent than Ruin or Preservation (maybe enough to matter for something like this). Either way the process might be impractical-- I doubt Roshar will be importing others' godmetals just for this. Maybe Ba-Ado-Mishram can supply Voidlight somehow, a she apparently did in the past, though with the Well of Control having changed maybe she no longer can.

Regardless, it does seem likely that the Fused can use Warlight to fuel their abilities so a lack of Voidlight might not be important. We also might see something different, like Voidbinding rather than Surgebinding (if Voidbinding differs in how it's fueled, which it may not; we know so little about it). We could even see something more dramatic and exotic, like a new magic system of Warbinding or something. Sazed changed Allomancy on his ascension, so it seems likely that Taravangian can also change his constituent magic systems (maybe in this way, maybe not).

[Schizoposting]

1 hour ago, Beholder said:

Aha, thank you for saying this, because while lerasium and atium can exist they cannot  be produced. What happened in TLM was a fluke, arising from the struggle between Preservation and Ruin. It is incredibly unlikely that Retribution, unless far stronger or Connected could split his essence into Stormlight and Voidlight as can be seen at the end of WaT, Retribution has a far better dynamic than Harmony. 

This is false:

Spoiler

Questioner

Could [Sazed] also bring back lerasium beads, if he wanted to?

Brandon Sanderson

It would be within his power to do so, yes.

Firefight Miami signing (Jan. 8, 2015)

Also, Kaladin became a herald after Retribution's accession, which means that Honor's and Odium's investiture can be clearly split off from one another. 

[Nitpicking]

9 hours ago, Beholder said:

That's what I thought but you know the Listeners on the Shattered Plains, Retribution said that he would give them Warlight and that they could use that for something? This kinda feels like an opportunity for new Surgebinders. On another note its kinda funny Odium doesn't have a clue where his Perpendicularity is.

We know that Enlightened Radiants (like Venli) can use Voidlight for the Surges. I expect they can also use Warlight.