SYLADIN SHIPPERS UNITE! (Full SA Spoilers)

[Ascended Grubberfly He/Him]

21 minutes ago, Kansas Stormcursed said:

WHO DARES

NO

NO I DO NOT

NO I DEFINITELY DO NOT

*ahem*

That scene from my pfp is my all-time favorite scene from WaT as a peak friendship thing. I will absolutely riot if Syladin ever becomes canon.

YES!

Wonderful scene, absolute cinema, but KAL NEEDS FRIENDS NOT ROMANCE!

hi friends, I wish to take a second to remind everyone that we are all friends, and that my screams of rage are part of the bit. I do not wish any bad things upon you, and we are all such good friends.

NO SYLADIN I BEG.

guys why am I monologging so much? Please send help.

[Kansas Stormcursed he/him]

2 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

YES!

Wonderful scene, absolute cinema, but KAL NEEDS FRIENDS NOT ROMANCE!

hi friends, I wish to take a second to remind everyone that we are all friends, and that my screams of rage are part of the bit. I do not wish any bad things upon you, and we are all such good friends.

NO SYLADIN I BEG.

guys why am I monologging so much? Please send help.

YES

THANK YOU

EXACTLY

Yes all that

BUT ALSO NO SYLADIN

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 hours ago, Factor said:

SYLADIN!

If you're somehow stumbling across this as a new user, and can't figure it out, Syladin is the fan ship of Kaladin and Sylphrena.

And obviously the best one!

...

I don't know what might possibly happen here, but SYLADIN!

Ok so

You think

An abstract concept of reality

and some dude

want to make out???????

31 minutes ago, Kansas Stormcursed said:

YES

THANK YOU

EXACTLY

Yes all that

BUT ALSO NO SYLADIN

33 minutes ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

YES!

Wonderful scene, absolute cinema, but KAL NEEDS FRIENDS NOT ROMANCE!

hi friends, I wish to take a second to remind everyone that we are all friends, and that my screams of rage are part of the bit. I do not wish any bad things upon you, and we are all such good friends.

NO SYLADIN I BEG.

guys why am I monologging so much? Please send help.

YES

ALSO

FOR SOME REASON MY HEADCANON SAYS KALADIN IS BI

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF KANSAS

[Kansas Stormcursed he/him]

6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Ok so

You think

An abstract concept of reality

and some dude

want to make out???????

YES

ALSO

FOR SOME REASON MY HEADCANON SAYS KALADIN IS BI

AND I THINK THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF KANSAS

PERFECT

I think he could be bi, but I think he'll remain traumatized straight

[Factor She/Her]

13 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Ok so

You think

An abstract concept of reality

and some dude

want to make out???????

A) Radiant spren are people too! Or at least just as sapient and intelligent as humans! I'd say Radiant spren go beyond "abstract concept of reality", even if others might be just that. I find the base of your argument very flawed, that they couldn't possibly be together because they're different... species or whatever.

B). Let me call attention to the fact you just called Kaladin "some dude". I am offend.

C) (beginning the actuall argument):

Their relationship is nuanced, and i find more offence at your... [word] of it. Ima mostly use quote boxes from other threads to cobble together my argument, as my writing doesn't encourage people to agree.

...

Huh this person doesn't have a quote button.

Oh, i guess you can't quote on a closed for replies.

Ah well

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I feel I can confidently address the “best friends vs. romance” topic that’s arisen on this thread. I’ve known my wife for more than 50 years. We’ve been (and remain) best friends that entire time. I STRONGLY recommend you keep your physical attractions to yourself unless you feel some reciprocity from your friend. But if you do fall for your best friend, and they encourage you, KEEP THEM if you can!!! Relationships may soar on the heated sparks of passion, but they endure in the cooler flames of companionship. Friendship that underlies romantic love is a very special thing.

I'm going to direct you to the threas this is from,

To find rebuttals to all of your arguments from people better with words than I.

And let me remind you, Kansas, that you were once neutral.

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Just a note as an outsider, and please don’t get mad at me.

It seems to me like neither side is really listening to the other and offering direct rebuttals to their arguments.
-Kansas Stormcursed

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Factor

[Kansas Stormcursed he/him]

1 minute ago, Factor said:

A) Radiant spren are people too! Or at least just as sapient and intelligent as humans! I'd say Radiant spren go beyond "abstract concept of reality", even if others might be just that. I find the base of your argument very flawed, that they couldn't possibly be together because they're different... species or whatever.

B). Let me call attention to the fact you just called Kaladin "some dude". I am offend.

C) (beginning the actuall argument):

Their relationship is nuanced, and i find more offence at your... [word] of it. Ima mostly use quote boxes from other threads to cobble together my argument, as my writing doesn't encourage people to agree.

...

Huh this person doesn't have a quote button.

Oh, i guess you can't quote on a closed for replies.

Ah well

 

And let me remind you, Kansas, that you were once neutral.

 

 

...

Ok so just to clarify

I was not neutral

I just pointed out that rather than debate the actual concept, people were just getting legitimately mad and yelling at each other. It was entirely just a heated shouting match

[Factor She/Her]

Just now, Kansas Stormcursed said:

...

Ok so just to clarify

I was not neutral

I just pointed out that rather than debate the actual concept, people were just getting legitimately mad and yelling at each other. It was entirely just a heated shouting match

Ok yeah. The entire first page of that thread was fairly... heated. Most of it doesn't really have evidence, just... yeah. Sorry, I got into debate mode.

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

7 minutes ago, Factor said:

A) Radiant spren are people too! Or at least just as sapient and intelligent as humans! I'd say Radiant spren go beyond "abstract concept of reality", even if others might be just that. I find the base of your argument very flawed, that they couldn't possibly be together because they're different... species or whatever.

B). Let me call attention to the fact you just called Kaladin "some dude". I am offend.

C) (beginning the actuall argument):

Their relationship is nuanced, and i find more offence at your... [word] of it. Ima mostly use quote boxes from other threads to cobble together my argument, as my writing doesn't encourage people to agree.

...

Huh this person doesn't have a quote button.

Oh, i guess you can't quote on a closed for replies.

Ah well

I'm going to direct you to the threas this is from,

To find rebuttals to all of your arguments from people better with words than I.

And let me remind you, Kansas, that you were once neutral.

 

 

Ok here let me present my *real* case

I am aromantic. Yeah sure, most people might not feel things this way because of their differences, but many people do share this perspective I have despite them maybe not being aromantic.

I do not feel romantic attraction. So instead, I place a lot of value on platonic love. I don't like it being seen as 'lesser', because I just don't see it that way. So the idea that 'oh they are nice to each other so they must be looooooove' is an idea that I hate. I hate it with all my being because I can love people with all my heart and soul, just as friend. So when people ship 2 people (or beings) from which there is absolutely no standard for, I despise it. Because it feels like you are saying, "people can't love like that and just be friends. If 2 people show a healthy relationship, they are either in love or its all a sham". And I don't like that because I don't feel love. So calling all my relationships in which I feel real feelings 'not real' hurts.

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

I hate, and I mean HATE syladin with a PASSION

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

13 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

I hate, and I mean HATE syladin with a PASSION

You and me both girl

I hate the trope of two characters meeting when one is a child and the other is an adult, then later they get together 
Hated it in Seven Deadly Sins, hated it in The Book Of Dust, and I hate it here

[Frustration]

Just now, SpartanBrigade said:

You and me both girl

I hate the trope of two characters meeting when one is a child and the other is an adult, then later they get together 
Hated it in Seven Deadly Sins, hated it in The Book Of Dust, and I hate it here

I am firmly against Syladin, but who's the child in this one?

Because Syl is like two-thousand years older than Kaladin.

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

1 minute ago, Frustration said:

I am firmly against Syladin, but who's the child in this one?

Because Syl is like two-thousand years older than Kaladin.

In technicality, not mentality or development 

When they first met and for a while afterwards, she’s for all intents and purposes a child

That feels like the same defense anime fans tend to use

Edited 2 hours ago by SpartanBrigade

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

4 minutes ago, SpartanBrigade said:

You and me both girl

I hate the trope of two characters meeting when one is a child and the other is an adult, then later they get together 
Hated it in Seven Deadly Sins, hated it in The Book Of Dust, and I hate it here

Yeah same and even if someone made the argument that syls technically not a child THEYRE STILL SPOSED TO BE FRIENDS THEY SHOULSNT DATE FRIENDSSSSS THEY ARE FRIENDSSSSSSSS it feels like the equivalent of someone shipping sokka and Aang in atla

[Frustration]

7 minutes ago, SpartanBrigade said:

In technicality, not mentality or development 

When they first met and for a while afterwards, she’s for all intents and purposes a child

That feels like the same defense anime fans tend to use

I don't watch a ton of anime so I can't say.

For Syl however that's just how the bond works.

We see similar things with Pattern, Timbre, Design, and the Stormfather, all of whom are adults by their standards.

[Factor She/Her]

44 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

Ok here let me present my *real* case

I am aromantic. Yeah sure, most people might not feel things this way because of their differences, but many people do share this perspective I have despite them maybe not being aromantic.

I do not feel romantic attraction. So instead, I place a lot of value on platonic love. I don't like it being seen as 'lesser', because I just don't see it that way. So the idea that 'oh they are nice to each other so they must be looooooove' is an idea that I hate. I hate it with all my being because I can love people with all my heart and soul, just as friend. So when people ship 2 people (or beings) from which there is absolutely no standard for, I despise it. Because it feels like you are saying, "people can't love like that and just be friends. If 2 people show a healthy relationship, they are either in love or its all a sham". And I don't like that because I don't feel love. So calling all my relationships in which I feel real feelings 'not real' hurts.

Ah, I see. Si it's shipping as a whole you're againts.

*prepares new argument*

(spoilered for lenght)

Spoiler

 

I completely accept that. I simply offer that, while I wholeheartedly agree that these relationships don't have to become romantic, that doesn"t mean they have to stay platonic. I offer this from LewsTherinTelescope:

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Syl resting her head on his shoulder while saying "I want things to change and be the same all at once. Suffice it to say that I want to make it harder for certain people to ignore me." when asked if she wants his treatment of her to change

(I couldn't find the actual scene)

as a sign that it doesn't have to stay platonic. The relationship isn't better or worse off if it has romance.

 

14 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

THEYRE STILL SPOSED TO BE FRIENDS THEY SHOULSNT DATE FRIENDSSSSS THEY ARE FRIENDSSSSSSSS

I offer this again:

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I feel I can confidently address the “best friends vs. romance” topic that’s arisen on this thread. I’ve known my wife for more than 50 years. We’ve been (and remain) best friends that entire time. I STRONGLY recommend you keep your physical attractions to yourself unless you feel some reciprocity from your friend. But if you do fall for your best friend, and they encourage you, KEEP THEM if you can!!! Relationships may soar on the heated sparks of passion, but they endure in the cooler flames of companionship. Friendship that underlies romantic love is a very special thing.
- @Confused

 

 

 

Also, looks like my tradition of making unpopular threads continues. Sigh.

Edited 2 hours ago by Factor

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Frustration said:

I don't watch a ton of anime so I can't say.

For Syl however that's just how the bond works.

We see similar things with Pattern, Timbre, Design, and the Stormfather, all of whom are adults by their standards.

The defense tends to be “No see, this girl who looks 13 is actually a 3,000 year old fairy, it’s totally fine”

Sure
I’d have the same issue if Shallan got with Pattern, Venli with Timbre, or Hoid with Design

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

20 minutes ago, Factor said:

Ah, I see. Si it's shipping as a whole you're againts.

*prepares new argument*

(spoilered for lenght)

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I completely accept that. I simply offer that, while I wholeheartedly agree that these relationships don't have to become romantic, that doesn"t mean they have to stay platonic. I offer this from LewsTherinTelescope:

(I couldn't find the actual scene)

as a sign that it doesn't have to stay platonic. The relationship isn't better or worse off if it has romance.

 

I offer this again:

 

 

 

Also, looks like my tradition of making unpopular threads continues. Sigh.

Ye no Ik like my girlfriend is my best friend BUT ALSO I have other best friends who I have no interest in and syl and Kal remind me of them

[Factor She/Her]

3 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

Ye no Ik like my girlfriend is my best friend BUT ALSO I have other best friends who I have no interest in and syl and Kal remind me of them

Alright. So you don't think they fit together romantically. I respect that opinion.

That's no reason to hate it with a passion.

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

8 minutes ago, Factor said:

Alright. So you don't think they fit together romantically. I respect that opinion.

That's no reason to hate it with a passion.

No but I do bc I hate it bc they are no couple it is stupid I no like

[Factor She/Her]

11 minutes ago, Honors Spectral Image said:

No but I do bc I hate it bc they are no couple it is stupid I no like

Okay then, it's judt an opinion

I think that there are very few "wrong" opinions, so i'll just say that if it's something about how it feels, that's how you feel, and i won't try to change that. I leave you in peace now.

 

 

Also @strmblsd, i summon thee,

Edited 1 hour ago by Factor

[Myst He/Him]

I’m not gonna say much here(don’t feel much of a reason to)

But. There’s that one honor spren who’s name I’m forgetting who’s the ship captain, and he said that the radiant bond was far more intimate than marriage, so… gf/bf seems rather tame in comparison 

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

52 minutes ago, Factor said:

Ah, I see. Si it's shipping as a whole you're againts.

*prepares new argument*

(spoilered for lenght)

  Hide contents

 

I completely accept that. I simply offer that, while I wholeheartedly agree that these relationships don't have to become romantic, that doesn"t mean they have to stay platonic. I offer this from LewsTherinTelescope:

Quote

Syl resting her head on his shoulder while saying "I want things to change and be the same all at once. Suffice it to say that I want to make it harder for certain people to ignore me." when asked if she wants his treatment of her to change

(I couldn't find the actual scene)

as a sign that it doesn't have to stay platonic. The relationship isn't better or worse off if it has romance.

It isn't shipping I'm against. I think Kim Dokja and Yoo Jonghyuck want to make out far more than there is any reason for it being.

I just think that Kal and Syl's bond is just so remarkably platonic, and there isn't that much platonic representation in media. Opposite sex (and sometimes same sex) best friends often become romantic, and I think it's nice that for once, they aren't in love because why wouldn't they be. I think that often romance is the standard, and is assumed in most circumstances. Brandon will probably never write any sort of aromantic characters (not that I would expect him too), cause we are just such a small minority. But I like just that little bit of representation of maybe not having the male/female friendship become romantic. I think brandon fully intends for it to stay a friendship, and pushing against that towards a more romantic relationship feels like you are saying "Well one of them is male, the other is female so why wouldn't they be in love?"

7 minutes ago, Factor said:

Okay then, it's judt an opinion

I think that there are very few "wrong" opinions, so i'll just say that if it's something about how it feels, that's how you feel, and i won't try to change that. I leave you in peace now.

 

 

Also @strmblsd, i summon thee,

I would say there are some wrong opinions.

Like, you know, homophobia is technically an opinion

Not calling this specific opinion wrong, but they do exist.

[Factor She/Her]

6 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

It isn't shipping I'm against. I think Kim Dokja and Yoo Jonghyuck want to make out far more than there is any reason for it being.

I just think that Kal and Syl's bond is just so remarkably platonic, and there isn't that much platonic representation in media. Opposite sex (and sometimes same sex) best friends often become romantic, and I think it's nice that for once, they aren't in love because why wouldn't they be. I think that often romance is the standard, and is assumed in most circumstances. Brandon will probably never write any sort of aromantic characters (not that I would expect him too), cause we are just such a small minority. But I like just that little bit of representation of maybe not having the male/female friendship become romantic. I think brandon fully intends for it to stay a friendship, and pushing against that towards a more romantic relationship feels like you are saying "Well one of them is male, the other is female so why wouldn't they be in love?"

19 minutes ago, Factor said:

*sigh* Aaaand back to debating.

I think you're assuming wr have no base for this. Kaladin/Jasnah doesn't have a base. I think this has plenty of things that support "why would they be in love? Because this". We're not just saying "why not?"

Please hold all debates until tomorrow.

8 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

I would say there are some wrong opinions.

Like, you know, homophobia is technically an opinion

Not calling this specific opinion wrong, but they do exist

*points* That's where I go with "very few". Things like that are wrong. I tryto never say there are no wrong opinions, or no truly bad people, or any of those things.

[Myst He/Him]

4 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Wow, deception, fizz, AND myst?!

I feel so spited.

What’d I do?

Do I have a reputation? If so I missed that 

Edited 57 minutes ago by Myst

[SpartanBrigade He/Him]

35 minutes ago, Myst said:

I’m not gonna say much here(don’t feel much of a reason to)

But. There’s that one honor spren who’s name I’m forgetting who’s the ship captain, and he said that the radiant bond was far more intimate than marriage, so… gf/bf seems rather tame in comparison 

To be fair I don’t necessarily see that as romantic or sexual 
I disagree with the idea that marriage is necessarily the highest form of bond 
I feel like you can have platonic bonds that are significantly deeper than anything romantic 
Or at least on par in a different way 
Feels like that’s how spren-Radiant relationships are