LG112 - Pseudocycle Two: First Blood, Digitally

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Also, GMs, I just got an idea for future games. Instead of having two layers, meta and pseudo, we play with three, the meta-game (possibly on the shard or the internet as a whole), the pseudogame, and the mockgame.

Why? Why would you want that, is the confusion of having two Games not enough for you? Why do you want a third one?

[Qianweilian He/him]

4 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Why? Why would you want that, is the confusion of having two Games not enough for you? Why do you want a third one?

Well, I didn't say it was a good idea...

[___ He/Him]

23 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Re-reading Meta-day 1, I'm more suspicious of ___ But I can't tell whether I'm suspicious of them in the meta-game or the pseudo game. Nor do I know what I should do with that suspicion, except monitor it for now. 

Why are you suspicious?

[CadCom he/him]

1 hour ago, Verdance said:

Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me

this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious 

50 minutes ago, Verdance said:

I don’t see the need to exe Myst

like at all

Araris claiming my role tho

44 minutes ago, Verdance said:

No actually your above logic

no one has posited that Araris is lying also???

I think you missed that Araris was just making that claim as a joke, as indicated in this post 

14 hours ago, Araris Valerian said:

Alright, joke's gone on long enough. I'm not a Roleplayer (I don't really know the metagame roles, so I didn't even know there was an alignment scan in the metagame). I was just a bit bothered that Verdance was asking what was going on when there were only 1.5 pages of stuff to read.

Buuuut, I'm not really enthused with his reaction to my claim. I mean, what are the odds that he's in the exact scenario to mechanically deal with my fake-claim (and picked me to scan, of all people)? Furthermore, the delay on his ultimate claim response makes me suspicious its something that came from a doc. So my vote is gonna stick, at least for now.

I can also verify my role, if it becomes necessary to show that I am not a Roleplayer.

They did not intend to claim roleplayer, and instead they were just mildly bothered by not catching up. 
The train since that point has been based on your counter-claim of scanning Araris Back, and also being a roleplayer, and confused they came up clean. 

On that note I guess I should discuss the trains going on today. The verdance train is definitely worth considering, and with enough convincing, I could change my vote there, depending on what happens with the Myst train. When I started writing my post, I was not aware that a mist train had started. 

The votes for Araris are not currently in my wheelhouse. You know how some players you subconsciously before the game even starts decide whether they're elim or village, and then tunnel them with that alignment for the whole game. I think I've subconscously put araris as a v/v this game, so I might need more evidence than normal to change my mind. (This DEFINITELY ISN'T Me Pocketing Araris, so we're all clear. An e/Cadcom would never dare to pocket Araris, an experienced player)
 

3 minutes ago, ___ said:

Why are you suspicious?

You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. 

 

 

11 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Honestly, I'm glad we caught this. A melim coinshot would be very scary.

Also, GMs, I just got an idea for future games. Instead of having two layers, meta and pseudo, we play with three, the meta-game (possibly on the shard or the internet as a whole), the pseudogame, and the mockgame.

 Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc)

[___ He/Him]

2 minutes ago, CadCom said:

You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. 

Fine

Actually very real

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, CadCom said:

I think you missed that Araris was just making that claim as a joke, as indicated in this post 

They did not intend to claim roleplayer, and instead they were just mildly bothered by not catching up. 
The train since that point has been based on your counter-claim of scanning Araris Back, and also being a roleplayer, and confused they came up clean. 

On that note I guess I should discuss the trains going on today. The verdance train is definitely worth considering, and with enough convincing, I could change my vote there, depending on what happens with the Myst train. When I started writing my post, I was not aware that a mist train had started. 

The votes for Araris are not currently in my wheelhouse. You know how some players you subconsciously before the game even starts decide whether they're elim or village, and then tunnel them with that alignment for the whole game. I think I've subconscously put araris as a v/v this game, so I might need more evidence than normal to change my mind. (This DEFINITELY ISN'T Me Pocketing Araris, so we're all clear. An e/Cadcom would never dare to pocket Araris, an experienced player)
 

You gonna make me re-read MC1 again? If you insist I will refresh my mind (since I didn't take notes, my bad) But I just was, OK? I'll probably re-read and decide my suspicions were unwarranted or forgotten, like originally happened with Myst, before I changed my mind and voted for them again anyways. 

 

 

 Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc)

Oh okay thank you for clearing that up

now im irritated though because i revealed my role for no reason

Araris

[Qianweilian He/him]

14 minutes ago, CadCom said:

Why stop there? What about an IRL level, and a Real-life cognitive/spiritual level, assuming some sort of afterlife indeed occurs. It could be a 4-layer game, with a potential 5th should those that lose IRL learn of the existence of a real-life dead-doc)

what is now pseudo, what is now meta, the 17th shard, Brandon's fandom, the Internet, irl, outside the matrix

[Verdance he/him]

Verdance posits that there are infinite layers of reality, supporting random chance in the microcosm and explaining random acts of fate.

He sips an energy drink and pretends he knows what he is saying. He is very good at pretending he knows what he is saying.

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 hours ago, Verdance said:

Explain to me why you are changing your vote here. If you actually scanned me and saw that i am an elim, why would you not then vote against me

this makes zero sense to me and seems increasingly suspicious 

What the flip Verdance are you meta elim or not?

Yk that if you’re meta-villager there is no way for him to be serious right

Guys I’ve only skimmed but I don’t like the train on Myst at all, and as I said earlier, I do have private reason to trust him - although I am beginning to doubt it

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

What the flip Verdance are you meta elim or not?

Yk that if you’re meta-villager there is no way for him to be serious right

Guys I’ve only skimmed but I don’t like the train on Myst at all, and as I said earlier, I do have private reason to trust him - although I am beginning to doubt it

I think I should only sign up for games that I can fully understand otherwise i will play for the elim team whether i like it or not

no i dont thank you for informing me

*shrug* i continue to have no reason to vote Myst

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

49 minutes ago, CadCom said:

I did indeed promise to do so. So I just did a re-read, and I don't remember what part of Myst's logic I didn't like prior to their vote for themselves. 

I remember that I didn't like the "My best interest"phrasing. If the meta-game is the game we really want to win, the best thing would be to keep as many villagers in that game as possible. (Of course, trying to win the pseudo-game is also important) 

I got very E/E vibes off the whole Myst/Hoid interaction that caused Myst to return to voting Coder too. Which I thought even before the discussion of said event occurred earlier in this thread. 

Re-reading Meta-day 1, I'm more suspicious of ___ But I can't tell whether I'm suspicious of them in the meta-game or the pseudo game. Nor do I know what I should do with that suspicion, except monitor it for now. 

I clearly need to re-read the rules, which I haven't fully read since the game started. 
BRB
OK I'm back. 
Ok. So My thoughts are with the pseudo cycle going first, the discussion in the metacycle were focused on the results of the pseudocycle. And therefore exing someone in the metacycle for their behavior in the pseudo-cycle should be based off whether we can reasonably assume that the actions or behavior are errant enough from normal play to warrant believing they are either trying to throw the game for their respective side. Unfortunately we don't know their relevant side in the pseudogame from any reveal in the meta. I think we reasonably need a meta-elim to die to determine how it appeared they were acting in the pseudogame before we can guess how they all want the Pseudo game to go. 

Ok. I think after thinking through that, which everyone else has probably already thought through at this point (Curse my late start) I am going to temporarily go back to my vote on Myst. As I believe their language of "My best interest" indicates they may be pseudo village, but meta-elim. That puts @Hoid Slayeras a possible meta-elim team mate, and keeping notice on @___ as someone I'm suspicious of. 

Pre-post edit: (I haven't actually posted yet) I just realized We are in a pseudo-cycle, and last cycle was a meta-cycle. This is so confusing keeping track of cycles. That means maybe Myst is a pseudo-elim, but a Meta-villager. So clearing them as a meta-villager is good for their pseudo wincon. (somehow, even though it isn't good for their real win-con of the meta game. I see the flaw, in my logic, please don't point it out.) 

Ok, with that, if we are in a pseudo-cycle, and since I still don't know the meta-elim prediction, nor how the village and elims have been performing over the last few years (Has red or green been overperforming, or has it been fairly even?)@anyone?) I think the best interest for the village would be to try to win the pseudo-game, allowing us to move on to just the metagame quicker maybe?

So with that, My analysis stays the same, oops Myst. Weird how my logic moves me back to the same person, but for completely different reasons, and on a completely different phase of the game. Hoidslayer, I'm still suspicious of you as being a potential team mate. I hope you don't mind being put on notice of someone so insubstantial and so far inactive. (Is it ironic that your nickname in SE is just Hoid, whereas your full username is Hoidslayer, indicating the intent to kill hoid, indicating you are not Hoid? But it would also be a very Hoid-esque thing to do to feign being your own would-be assassin)

Okay I just remembered the whole Myst suicide thing and actually think that makes him extremely m-v!leaning. The only way it isn’t is if I’m also elim and part of the play, which I know I’m not but have no way of convincing you guys of, so I guess I’m just hoping you’ll trust me a lot for no reason

(Also, yes, now that I think of it, the username/nickname is kinda funny. In my defense, I didn’t pick it, it was just kinda adopted. I have also heard Slayer, and one person in particular calls me HS)

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

I think I should only sign up for games that I can fully understand otherwise i will play for the elim team whether i like it or not

no i dont thank you for informing me

*shrug* i continue to have no reason to vote Myst

Guys I’m starting to feel bad for the Verdance train

Reminder that Qian is also always an option

[Verdance he/him]

2 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Okay I just remembered the whole Myst suicide thing and actually think that makes him extremely m-v!leaning. The only way it isn’t is if I’m also elim and part of the play, which I know I’m not but have no way of convincing you guys of, so I guess I’m just hoping you’ll trust me a lot for no reason

(Also, yes, now that I think of it, the username/nickname is kinda funny. In my defense, I didn’t pick it, it was just kinda adopted. I have also heard Slayer, and one person in particular calls me HS)

Guys I’m starting to feel bad for the Verdance train

Reminder that Qian is also always an option

Y Qian

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Verdance said:

Y Qian

His votes have just been weird an piggybacky

Coco too, to a lesser extent

[Myst He/Him]

54 minutes ago, |TJ| said:

Guys, this is my biggest point. We can exe Verdance any time we want, but we have to exe Myst NOW because one of Myst/claimer is lying and is evil, and the only way to figure out who is lying is this cycle before PseudoGM muddies the water by changing roles.

I actually hadn’t considered this. However, just in case,

@The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr 

Quote

PseudoGM: You were next on the list to run a game, even before this business with the sentient Roleplay Characters. You already forgot the distro you made, but the IM approved it so it must have been balanced enough to handle a few changes on the fly. Every Pseudogame cycle, you can change a player's pseudorole. You can also submit a message that will be the writeup for the Pseudogame turn. 

Where does this fall on the OoA? Is it before or after the exe?

[Qianweilian He/him]

10 minutes ago, Myst said:

Where does this fall on the OoA? Is it before or after the exe?

I assume it's simultaneously

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, Qianweilian said:

I assume it's simultaneously

I’d prefer an exact answer because otherwise what can happen is that my role get’s changed before the exe and I flip coinshot. I’d like to know if that’s something we need to consider 

[Qianweilian He/him]

2 minutes ago, Myst said:

I’d prefer an exact answer because otherwise what can happen is that my role get’s changed before the exe and I flip coinshot. I’d like to know if that’s something we need to consider 

Oh, no, I believe that the pseudo GM takes their action during the metacycle. Is that what you meant?

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

17 minutes ago, Myst said:

I actually hadn’t considered this. However, just in case,

@The Unknown Medallion @Through the living Wahr 

Where does this fall on the OoA? Is it before or after the exe?

There is a Mistake in the Rules, the Pseudo GM uses their ability like all other Meta Rules during the Meta Cycle

Edited Monday at 09:02 PM by Through the living Wahr

[CadCom he/him]

OK, Big reversal out of left field coming here from me. 

Myst Fallen

Allow me to explain. 

This is a bit of a stretch, but I've convinced myself from my pc1 shardworld doc (which I did not contribute to, sorry) that even though we know Fallen is an MV, the other person in that doc was completely exed on the first two turns (Coder, RIP) But if a PE Fallen were in that doc, and discussing that it was just them and Coder in a PE doc, then a hypothetical ME player in that doc would believe there were only two people in that doc. Now they think no one is on threnody, and therefore a planet they don't need to really worry about for now. I don't know the logic behind that, except threnodians can potentially also survive a kill, and kill the attacker, which is a powerful anti-elim tool, especially late game. But people can still move to threnody. 

Anyways that last sentence or 2 were me getting sidetracked, Along with that, there would be no living people who can know that it was Coder and Fallen along on threnody C1. Little did they know my secret weapon (Forgetfulness would thwart their plan) A PE/ME player would only want to eliminate a MV in the Meta game, but not in the Pseudo game, especially if the pseudo players did any sort of role claim for the meta game in their doc. (Which I don't necessarily think is likely, but possible) Any other Pseudo-Elims want to confirm if they revealed meta roles in the PElim doc? 

Anyways if my wildly convoluted theory is right, that means the M-Elims want the P-Elims to win the P-Game, and that is why they've kept a P-Elim alive but not in the M-game. 

Of course this theory has wayyyy too many assumptions and results in sending yet another player through two kills in a row. But I want to hear everyone elses thoughts? 

Edit: @Miss Fallen I figure I should fairly call you to increase your chance to respond. 

 

Edited Monday at 09:04 PM by CadCom

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Through the living Wahr said:

There is a Mistake in the Rules, the Pseudo GM uses his ability like all other Meta Rules during the Meta Cycle

His? 

[Myst He/Him]

4 minutes ago, CadCom said:

OK, Big reversal out of left field coming here from me. 

Myst Fallen

Allow me to explain. 

This is a bit of a stretch, but I've convinced myself from my pc1 shardworld doc (which I did not contribute to, sorry) that even though we know Fallen is an MV, the other person in that doc was completely exed on the first two turns (Coder, RIP) But if a PE Fallen were in that doc, and discussing that it was just them and Coder in a PE doc, then a hypothetical ME player in that doc would believe there were only two people in that doc. Now they think no one is on threnody, and therefore a planet they don't need to really worry about for now. I don't know the logic behind that, except threnodians can potentially also survive a kill, and kill the attacker, which is a powerful anti-elim tool, especially late game. But people can still move to threnody. 

Anyways that last sentence or 2 were me getting sidetracked, Along with that, there would be no living people who can know that it was Coder and Fallen along on threnody C1. Little did they know my secret weapon (Forgetfulness would thwart their plan) A PE/ME player would only want to eliminate a MV in the Meta game, but not in the Pseudo game, especially if the pseudo players did any sort of role claim for the meta game in their doc. (Which I don't necessarily think is likely, but possible) Any other Pseudo-Elims want to confirm if they revealed meta roles in the PElim doc? 

Anyways if my wildly convoluted theory is right, that means the M-Elims want the P-Elims to win the P-Game, and that is why they've kept a P-Elim alive but not in the M-game. 

Of course this theory has wayyyy too many assumptions and results in sending yet another player through two kills in a row. But I want to hear everyone elses thoughts? 

So, for complete different reasons(partly because I have no idea what you just said, I’ll reread it though) I’m beginning to lean them betting on an Elim win

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

His? 

Do not Read anything into this, that was not related in any way to who is Pseudo GM

I already edited it to avoid further confusion and questions

I sometimes make a Mistake because I am not a native Speaker

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, Through the living Wahr said:

Do not Read anything into this, that was not related in any way to who is Pseudo GM

I already edited it to avoid further confusion and questions

I sometimes make a Mistake because I am not a native Speaker

Clearly, either Miss Fallen, Coco, or Star is pseudoGM

idk about the newbies tho

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, Verdance said:

Clearly, either Miss Fallen, Coco, or Star is pseudoGM

idk about the newbies tho

Fallen is dead in the meta game, she flipped already 

[Verdance he/him]

1 minute ago, Myst said:

Fallen is dead in the meta game, she flipped already 

This was -apparently not clearly- a joke