QF78: Hearts of Riches, Rhythms of Hatred [signups]

[Qianweilian He/him]

Okay then, it's almost assuredly penguin.

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

5 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Okay then, it's almost assuredly penguin.

Well, it's not me so we lose

[Qianweilian He/him]

6 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

Well, it's not me so we lose

Not necessarily. Even if we're all wrong, then it's a tie and it's a 50/50 chance. (Because regal would kill and it would be 1-1)

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

30 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Not necessarily. Even if we're all wrong, then it's a tie and it's a 50/50 chance. (Because regal would kill and it would be 1-1)

That meets the win condition for the Elims

[Qianweilian He/him]

5 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

That meets the win condition for the Elims

Don’t the elims have to outnumber the singers? Not be even? Sorry, I’m still new.

[Through the living Wahr He/Him]

29 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

That meets the win condition for the Elims

No it does not, according to the Sign Ups the Elim Win Con is Outnumbering the Village not parity with the Village

[Doc12]

I suppose in the chance that we're wrong, we move to a 1:1 where there's a 50/50 chance of the either the elim killing the villager or the villager exeing the elim but also getting NK'd, causing the Shardbearer and village to win by a technicality? Not an ideal situation obviously but would be pretty funny if it happened that way. 

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

6 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I suppose in the chance that we're wrong, we move to a 1:1 where there's a 50/50 chance of the either the elim killing the villager or the villager exeing the elim but also getting NK'd, causing the Shardbearer and village to win by a technicality? Not an ideal situation obviously but would be pretty funny if it happened that way. 

What happens if it goes to a 1:1 @Hoid Slayer/@TwinStorm does it have a 50% chance to be a tie?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Just now, IcedOutPenguin said:

What happens if it goes to a 1:1 @Hoid Slayer/@TwinStorm does it have a 50% chance to be a tie?

well its a tie I believe if both parties are killed, but if the coin flip and the NK kills the villager, then e!victory

also, factions can't win if all their members are dead, I believe.

[Doc12]

Singers: The Parshmen of Revolar, recently freed by Odium, you are now being forcibly corrupted into bonding Voidspren, yet you fight back. As the uninformed majority, you win when all the Regals are dead.  

Unlike the elim win con the village win con says nothing about outnumbering which does require one alive let us have this Twinstorm 

[Qianweilian He/him]

27 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

I suppose in the chance that we're wrong, we move to a 1:1 where there's a 50/50 chance of the either the elim killing the villager or the villager exeing the elim but also getting NK'd, causing the Shardbearer and village to win by a technicality? Not an ideal situation obviously but would be pretty funny if it happened that way.

The order of actions implies elim kills take place before the vote, as the vote manipulation works after kills, but murdered are still counted as votes. So it would probably be something like the following:

1. Elim kills other
2. Vote ties and (assuming that votes for the dead man aren’t invalid) 50% elim exed.
3. The win cons are as follows:
4. This implies that village and Shardbearer win simultaneously and Regals lose

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Singers…win when all the Regals are dead. 

Regals...win when [Regals] outnumber the living Singers.

Shardbearer...win when [the Shardbearer] has achieved parity with both alignments

 So

if factions can win with all dead and

if (both votes for dead are invalid and dead votes still count) or (50% goes in our favor)

then we win. kinda.

18 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

also, factions can't win if all their members are dead, I believe.

The general rules imply that the only goal for the village is to kill all elims and that mutual victories (with shardbearer) are possible. However I can’t find anything that mentions if all are dead. It really depends on the GM interpretation.

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Sanderson Elimination is the Sanderson-based, forum version of the party game Mafia/Werewolf. The most basic form of the game splits players into two groups: the village and the eliminators (elsewhere called the Mafia, Werewolves, etc). The eliminators know each other’s identities and can communicate freely, and their goal is to kill or outnumber the villagers. The villagers, on the other hand, don’t know which group anyone else is in, and their goal is to figure out who the eliminators are and kill them all. 

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As a corollary to some of the above points, please limit gamethrowing. Sometimes, going for a tie or a mutual win instead of a victory for your team is not a bad thing, and can even be fun. However, one should not make this kind of decision unilaterally if one has teammates. Consult your teammates (even if they are dead) to learn how they will feel if you throw the game, as this decision affects them as well. If they are not okay with it, we strongly advise against throwing the game.

 

However, this mostly likely doesn’t matter, as penguin is probably elim. Some of this may be already mentioned, as people added relevant stuff when I was composing this.

 

Edit: Twin, Hoid, even if penguin is elim and we exe him to win, I actually really want to know the answer to this.

Edited February 7 by Qianweilian

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 hours ago, Qianweilian said:

Don’t the elims have to outnumber the singers? Not be even? Sorry, I’m still new.

You’re right about the wincon

1 hour ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

What happens if it goes to a 1:1 @Hoid Slayer/@TwinStorm does it have a 50% chance to be a tie?

PAFO

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

Singers: The Parshmen of Revolar, recently freed by Odium, you are now being forcibly corrupted into bonding Voidspren, yet you fight back. As the uninformed majority, you win when all the Regals are dead.  

Unlike the elim win con the village win con says nothing about outnumbering which does require one alive let us have this Twinstorm 

I’d let you have it

I don’t know about the Shardbearer win in that case though

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

One hour left:

I’mma drop this here rq since I don’t know when Twin is showing back up

C7 writeup:

…

Silence.

The seventh day of the resistance’s fall was filled with silence.

Most of the Fused attention was concentrated on the Kholinar preparations - the army would leave the morning after the next, charged by the coming Everstorm - and the resisters were mainly quiet in the day. But it seemed they had not entirely given up, since in the night, Bitel spotted the small group that remained emerge from their caves and gather on the outskirts of the city, near the warcamp. Interested, he lashed himself in their direction. Perhaps the little things could pull off one final spectacle.

…

The picture of the Nameless still haunted Jojoja’s mind. In his damning gaze, the eyes of a friend.

Jojoja had no friends left.

No, the shapes that beat him up, dragged him through the streets, and tied him up to a pile of sticks were nothing more than Voidbringers. He knew what they intended. He had been part of the planning.

It was intended to be a counterattack. A response to the brutality that had been committed to Khenari, the uncorrupted would burn a Regal at the stake outside the warcamps - where every Fused and every Singer could see. It was intended to be a show of strength. But as he watched Marne strike the match, Jojoja wondered if anyone would storming care.

He could not scream. They had gagged him. He could shut his eyes, but what would that do? His flesh would still burn, surrounded by the ghosts of friends.

In that final moment, he wondered if that was what the Regals had truly wanted. They could have killed them all at the start, or forcibly converted them - but instead, they had infiltrated the ranks, offering a far slower - and crueler - demise. Through subterfuge, it had been so easy to unleash the monster in innocents. To show the world the worst side of those who fought back. And they had succeeded. Oh, Jojaja thought as the pile was set on fire, the flames lapped at his skin, and he shut his eyes: they had succeeded.

…

Bitel watched the Singer burn for a while until the last embers died. The rest of the resisters left, and no one came. At long last, as the sun rose again on the sky, without knowing what drew him, Bitel lashed himself and flew up to get a closer look at the charred corpse. It was hardly recognizable, and it was a fight not to avert his gaze. Then, suddenly, a shiny glint amid the ashes drew his eye. Protected by his voidlight healing, he reached in and brushed away that black remains to reveal a silver blade. It was TUM’s Shard. Bitel took a second to admire the blade, took one last look at Jojoja. And caught a single tear, fragile, dripping down his face.

Then he took the sword and flew away, let the silence rule.

When Revolar awoke, it would find another body hanging in its plaza. And another message scratched on its chest.

ONE MORE NIGHT.

ODIUM REIGNS.

[Qianweilian He/him]

45 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Jojoja had no friends left.

I was confused and thought this was from the last round where we exed Jo. Did anyone else?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Ngl I feel like I’ve said “___ had no friends left” or variations too much in these writeups

[Qianweilian He/him]

It's better than I could do.

[Doc12]

Odium reigns. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Game

Over

Stand by for Aftermath (could be a while, I have it ready but am busy right now)

[Verdance he/him]

Good job to the elim which still exists at this point in the game.. That shouldn’t be a spoiler, right?

[Myst He/Him]

Just now, edgyswordname said:

Good job to the elim which still exists at this point in the game.. That shouldn’t be a spoiler, right?

Well the games over, they just haven’t said who won yet

[Verdance he/him]

Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Well the games over, they just haven’t said who won yet

Huh

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

4 minutes ago, edgyswordname said:

Good job to the elim which still exists at this point in the game.. That shouldn’t be a spoiler, right?

Normally, it would be:

But since the game is over, no, it isn't